[BroJoeK]

FLT-Bird: "As usual BroJoeK obsesses over this topic. "

As usual, FLT-bird obsesses over trying to justify the Lost Cause by constantly posting lies regarding the Civil War.

FLT-Bird: "Abolitionists were a tiny minority even in the North."

Noooo, in 1860 100% of Northerners were abolitionists in their own states.
In 1860, 100% of Republicans were abolitionists in US Western Territories.
In 1860, 100% of Republicans favored maintaining abolition of international slave imports.

In 1856 the Republican presidential candidate, John C. Fremont was alleged by Democrats to be 100% abolitionist, and received 1.3 million Northern votes, more than Democrat Buchanan's 1.2 million Northern votes -- Buchanan won because of Southern votes.

Bottom line: while most Northerners were tolerant of slavery in the South 100% of Republicans were abolitionists in their own states, in the Territories and in international imports.

All of which FLT-bird well knows, but just loves, loves, loves to lie about, in defense of his obsession with the Lost Cause.

[FLT-bird]

As usual, FLT-bird obsesses over trying to justify the Lost Cause by constantly posting lies regarding the Civil War.

As usual BroJoeK goes miles out of his way to tag me when spewing his endless PC Revisionist lies on this topic. Notice how it is never I who tags him into these threads.

Noooo, in 1860 100% of Northerners were abolitionists in their own states. In 1860, 100% of Republicans were abolitionists in US Western Territories. In 1860, 100% of Republicans favored maintaining abolition of international slave imports.

LOL! You are of course desperately trying to S-T-R-E-T-C-H the definition of abolitionist to fit here. The Republicans did not favor abolishing slavery in the United States as a whole. Northerners did not favor abolishing slavery in the United States as a whole. Those who did favor doing so - ie actual abolitionists - were a tiny minority seen as extremists who could not get more than single digit percentages of the vote in elections. There simply was no widespread support for it anywhere.

In 1856 the Republican presidential candidate, John C. Fremont was alleged by Democrats to be 100% abolitionist, and received 1.3 million Northern votes, more than Democrat Buchanan's 1.2 million Northern votes -- Buchanan won because of Southern votes.

Fremont was of course, not an abolitionist and said so quite clearly.

Bottom line: while most Northerners were tolerant of slavery in the South 100% of Republicans were abolitionists in their own states, in the Territories and in international imports.

Bottom Line, Republicans were not abolitionists and BroJoeK is desperately trying to stretch the definition of the term to claim some kind of "victory". Now he's even becoming revisionist with language just like he is with history. LOL!

All of which FLT-bird well knows, but just loves, loves, loves to lie about, in defense of his obsession with the Lost Cause.

All of which BroJoeK knows but he just can't help himself when it comes to spewing the PC Revisionist lies that obsess him.

[DiogenesLamp]

Noooo, in 1860 100% of Northerners were abolitionists in their own states.

As usual, you are misleading people as to the motivation of these Northern "abolitionists."

Number 1. They hated black people and didn't want any black people in their state.

Number 2. The labor force didn't want to compete against free labor.

You present their motivation as moral and noble, but it was self interest and hatred.

At this time, only a teeny tiny minority of kooks opposed slavery because it was morally wrong.

These are the abolitionists that Charles Dickens refers to when he said:

" Every reasonable creature may know, if willing, that the North hates the Negro, and until it was convenient to make a pretense that sympathy with him was the cause of the War, it hated the Abolitionists and derided them up hill and down dale. "