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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Abolitionists put their lives on the line to free slaves, but they did it for their own benefit.

Stop. The people getting the benefit of keeping the Southern money streaming into their pockets did none of the actual fighting. They paid $300.00 and some poor schlub took their place in combat.

And the poor schlubs didn't give a rat's @$$ about slavery. They were fighting because they had to. Yeah, there was the occasional crackpot all filled with zeal to go free the slaves despite the fact they all hated black people, but most normal people weren't fighting slavery. They marched right through slave holding Maryland to go fight the people who had the gall to tell Washington DC to go f### itself because they weren't funneling any more money into it's corrupt pockets.

The war was about rich northern people remaining rich northern people because the rich southern people would be prevented from trading directly with Europe and thereby depriving the rich northern people of both markets in the south and midwest as well as the rich northern people gloming onto the income stream produced by Southern exports.

And then the rich northern people told all the idiots in the Country they were fighting for some noble bullsh*t about freeing slaves. These were the very same people that offered the Corwin Amendment permanent slavery to the nation.

Let me show you a map that might give you a clue how things really work.

About your map, China uses slave labor for their manufacturing too.

Brought to you by the same liberals that run the country today, and ran it for the same reasons back in 1860. They don't care about slavery, they care about money.

213 posted on 10/04/2021 4:34:53 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to<i> no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; TwelveOfTwenty
TwelveOfTwenty: "Abolitionists put their lives on the line to free slaves, but they did it for their own benefit."

DiogenesLamp: "Stop.
The people getting the benefit of keeping the Southern money streaming into their pockets did none of the actual fighting.
They paid $300.00 and some poor schlub took their place in combat."

Stop, liar.
Even by mid-1861 Union leaders in Congress and the Army understood that defeating Confederates would require destroying slavery -- hence "Contraband of War" and the 1861 Confiscation Act.
And by September 1862 (after Antietam) 100% of Union soldiers understood that Union victory meant destruction of Confederate slavery.
And, in the summer and fall of 1864 Lincoln ran for reelection on his promise to support the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery in every US state/territory.

So all claims by our Lost Causers -- that Northern troops did not fight to free the slaves -- are pure bovine excrement because every Northerner (and Southerner) well understood that slavery would be abolished as Union forces defeated Confederates.

DiogenesLamp: "And then the rich northern people told all the idiots in the Country they were fighting for some noble bullsh*t about freeing slaves.
These were the very same people that offered the Corwin Amendment permanent slavery to the nation."

Stop, liar.
Corwin was a unanimous Democrat initiative, opposed by most Republicans, intended to help keep Border States in the Union.
Corwin went nowhere and was quickly rendered mute by the military requirements that "Contraband of War" be freed, and slavery destroyed, for Union victory.

DiogenesLamp: "Brought to you by the same liberals that run the country today, and ran it for the same reasons back in 1860. They don't care about slavery, they care about money."

Stop, liar.
Democrats ruled Washington in 1860, just as they do today, and they were just as corrupt and malevolent then as now.
That was a major reason many Northern voters flipped from Democrat in 1856 to Republican in 1860.
Slavery was the other major reason.

Now DiogenesLamp likes maps, so here are two to illustrate the growth of Republican votes, first in 1856 (red=Republican):

So notice in 1860 how many previously Democrat counties flipped Republican due to Washington Democrat corruption and to slavery:

Also notice that even in 1860, New York City was still controlled by its powerful Democrat political machine.

233 posted on 10/05/2021 10:38:39 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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