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To: DiogenesLamp
Where it would not spread. What they were really worried about wasn't slavery spreading, it was the possibility that territories would turn into states favorable towards the Southern states and thereby affecting the balance of power in Washington DC. That power balance is how they were getting Federal policy to flow money into their pockets, and this was always about making sure the money flowed into the pockets of the well connected "elite" of the North East.

Correct. There was no economic case for slavery spreading to the western territories. This was a power struggle between two sides. States meant Senators. The Senate was the real battleground. With its larger population the Northern states had long controlled the House. They needed to effectively rule over the Senate in order to force things like ruinously high tariffs through. So long as the Southern Senators could block that, the Southern states could at least somewhat protect themselves from Northern predation. The instant the Southern states left, they no longer needed seats in the Senate. They therefore did not need the territory of the United States and did not claim any of it. They hardly had some religious zeal to spread slavery. They were desperately fighting a rearguard action to try to prevent Northern special interests from really sucking the South dry.

210 posted on 10/04/2021 12:15:03 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird; DiogenesLamp; jmacusa; enumerated; TwelveOfTwenty
FLT-bird to DL: "There was no economic case for slavery spreading to the western territories.
This was a power struggle between two sides."

Except that during the 1850s slavery was lawful & practiced in the western territories of Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Utah & Nebraska.
In Kansas especially there was competition between slaveholder settlers and free-soilers in which for years slaveholders held the political whip-hand.
Also in New Mexico, Oklahoma & Utah slaveholders held the political upper-hand.
Even California, nominally a free-state, held large numbers of de facto slaves until the Civil War, and appointed pro-slavery US Senators, notably Gwin & Weller.

So there's no doubt that for Democrat slaveholders, political power was all-important because without it slavery was doomed.
And that such Democrats would project their own motives onto Republicans is, at least, understandable -- they still do it today.
But the fact remains that most grass-roots Republican voters were first motivated by books such as the Bible and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" -- so their feelings were first Christian moral & cultural, not just Marxist economics & Democrat politics.

229 posted on 10/05/2021 9:07:01 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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