Posted on 09/08/2021 6:31:39 AM PDT by Cecily
Watch a livestream of the Lee statue in Richmond being removed from its pedestal on Monument Avenue.
The stream, provided by VPM, will begin at 8 a.m. on Wednesday, and for the first hour the stream "will also feature relevant photos and footage related to the removal of the monument," according to a news release from the state agencies overseeing the project.
(Excerpt) Read more at richmond.com ...
Oh I didn’t mean to say that about Grant. Just in general - anyone that makes such a statement doesn’t have to think themselves better or equal, much less disdain the other party.
Before black slavery most slave cultures once subsequent generations were freed they either migrated back home if they had been seized in conquest or they assimilated
That’s the rub.
I’m not sure slavery was thriving ...it seems it was on the wane in the north where it was being supplanted by poor whites and the parts of the south where it was most obviously successful for the owners were going to run out of land to cultivate and too many heirs to split holdings between
Hence like second sons before them who migrated from Europe for wealth these folks wanted the eastern plains pretty much the same
To extend their way of life
That’s just the slavery expansion economics ....
The civil war was about much more than that.
You do bring up a salient point...one always ignored here.
What to do about these blacks if freed.
In parts of the south if you did what the radical GOPe wanted under the guise of altruism then you handed all political power to blacks to lord over what in any places is a white minority...then...and now in places like the delta or Jackson Miss
They didn’t get their way obviously.
I don’t think repatriating slaves to Africa was possible but the north could have offered that as an option...and encouraged it
But even though they sure didn’t ever....note I said ever....want them en masse.....nor did any to the left of Lincoln wish them to leave given the power these newly freed folks gave the GOPe at that time
It was a mess.
And yes like you said....the fallout from brining them here continues to this day and despite some blacks achieving power and status I think it’s declined since my youth for blacks as a group.
Stuff like this is just political grandstanding by hucksters.
Go to Richmond and look around.....statues are not the problem
Would they? I wouldn't want to speak ill of any of those in this group. But arm chair warriors arguing over who was the best General is almost always a completely pointless and futile exercise. There are a large number of men who were the very highest caliber leaders many whom gave their lives in defense of our Republic. The vast majority are now almost completely forgotten
How many people these days even know the name of General Rose the leader of the 3rd Armored Division during WWII and the the highest-ranking American killed by the Nazis? Most people these days believe that Patton was the leader of Spearhead, the 3rd Armored Division during WWII. That is what a full length movie and a gravelly voiced portrayal by a fine actor accomplishes. Patton gets credit for everything.
That said there are few who would argue on behalf of the woke bunch of idiots who make up our current top brass. In July of 2017 President Trump famously called the group to their faces a ‘Bunch of Dopes and Babies’ who were ‘all losers’. He told them, “You don't know how to win anymore. I want to win. We don't win any wars anymore. We spend $7 trillion, everybody else got the oil and we're not winning anymore.” After this accurate assessment, almost the entire group of thin skinned oversensitive babies devoted themselves to stabbing President Trump in the back for the rest of his time in office.
It is completely irresponsible to tear down monuments erected many years ago dedicated to any of the great men who fought valiantly to shape our country.
The big problem with that is turn-of-the-century politics, and today’s Dems LOVE Lincoln and Yankees.
It’s the only time they love the “USA”. All other times they hate it.
Don’t fool yourself.
It’s the opposite for southern sympathizers - they love the USA at all times, except the Civil War. :)
I know your history here.
A neoconservative of the first order
Wrong on every big divide here from mad Ivan to the golden escalator
That you parrot Jonah Goldberg on this issue is no big shock
United States is in a “Cultural Revolution”. If we sit and watch and do nothing, you will lose your Nation.
Agree !
Say what now? What are “mad Ivan to the golden escalator?” Jonah Goldberg? I haven’t read a thing from him in years. I guess his work doesn’t get posted here much anymore.
I see you didn’t write a single thing about what I had written. Instead just a general attack on me that’s kind of nonsensical to be honest. This says more about you than it does about me.
I like your general comments but I think you’re way off on Patton.
Patton was 3rd ARMY, not 3rd Armored Div. I wonder if those who think this are confusing the similar words. The movie does not mention “3rd Armored Div”.
Slavery would have died out simply because it is more expensive to keep slaves than it is tractors, picking machines, and a cotton gin. It is the "engines of progress" that would have made slaves obsolete.
I will say this and leave it there. No one loved Virginia more than General Robert E Lee. No one. He didn’t want war but said with all his emotion that should Virginia choose to secede, he would answer her call to lead. He also hated slavery. He wrote in letters to his wife how much he hoped slaves would overcome what they were experiencing and rise to a new level. He felt that no matter what they suffered in this transition, it was far better than the fate surely awaiting them in their native country.
Still….knowing nothing about the heartache of the Civil War and the choices made, little children were happy to see streets and schools named for Lee, disappear here in El Paso this year. A new hatred for the past was born.
A new puffed out chest and a pat on the back for equality began.
I’m sure there are words of wisdom cluttering my desk somewhere….but so what?
He likely was the greatest. He did more with what he had at his disposal than anyone rose imaginable.
I don’t know where the statue is headed, but it’s clear from the pictures and the filthy graffiti (even the F word on the horse’s belly, FCOL) that is was being desecrated there. I hope it goes somewhere more welcoming and is not destroyed.
On a conservative forum a loud five percent support this....ignoring that the same people wish to take down everything
Going to have to get lots worse before it gets better
If ever
We changed the race of the nation in one generation
I doubt Latinos care about any of this ....
I disagree about the “Union”. It was really all the same principle. Not that it would be any easier - as it was not for Lee, despite the glib speak of haters here.
Sounds like you read the great Freeman books.
No, there wasn’t as much fighting, and there weren’t nearly as many troops as the CW. Perhaps this lack of excitement is part of the problem. The RevWar gets no respect, nor Washington. It’s as if it was a blip and a foregone conclusion.
Washington had much less strengths to build upon. MUCH less. He basically had no professionals - except the blessed foreigners who came to fight for him. He had hardly any troops, none whom were really professionals except maybe more after von Steuben came to “regulate” them. And virtually always starving and always naked. Along with almost no equipment.
People speak like the Confeds were in this position but they had much better base to build on. There were indeed problems with supply but they had their own mills as well as cotton, and already had a normal societal network of food to use. Especially since it was basically region-based, and not truly “civil war” as the Revolution was - mixed in everywhere, rebels and redcoats everywhere. Never mind many West Point graduates.
BTW, those “ribbons” are mostly participation trophies. As in, I worked on this project, I was at this camp, etc.
Gentlemen officers, both Lee and Grant - rare in that time, and even rarer today. Well, kind of extinct today.
Nicely said.
Deo Vindice.
A great and honorable man. It is painful to see his legacy trashed by puerile and ignorant cretins not fit to shine his boots.
History will enshrine his deeds and abilities forever, despite all efforts by the radical left to erase them. We will never forget.
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