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greenie fuel fight!
1 posted on 08/12/2021 5:27:00 PM PDT by blueplum
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2 posted on 08/12/2021 5:30:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong)
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Facts are entirely irrelevant to folks with a narrative. Reality is a mental construct to the higher IQ types on the Left.


3 posted on 08/12/2021 5:37:12 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe )
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How much money for the anti-hydrogen propaganda comes from the battery lobby?


4 posted on 08/12/2021 5:38:17 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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Blue hydrogen is green washing at its finest. Why take perfectly good natural gas and strip 50% of its energy content by removing the carbon atom from it’s 4 hydrogen atoms. Since carbon binds to two oxygen atoms and hydrogen bonds with one. When you burn methane CH4 you oxidize it with 6 oxygen atoms each with 2 electrons to share with carbon and one with hydrogen if you strip out that carbon you have wasted that carbon to oxygen binding energy with 2 atoms of oxygen and 4 electrons total the now diatomic hydrogen bonds with one oxygen for each two hydrogen only moving two electrons each reaction. Chemical energy is defined by the movement of electrons more is better.

Taking the carbon out throws away half of your electron volts. You could go the plasma black route and plasma crack methane into h2 gas and elemental carbon then feed that carbon to direct carbon fuel cells yielding 60+% efficiency to DC current sell the electricity via inverters on the grid and sell the H2 gas to be used in fuel cells as well at 50% efficiency the over all efficiency going that route is better than just burning it in a turbine at 35% efficiency in a simple cycle gas turbine power plant. Integrated combined cycle plants approach 60% efficiency with a steam bottoming cycle and regeneration heat exchangers but they are significantly more expensive than gas turbine cycle plants.


6 posted on 08/12/2021 5:53:42 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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Burning hydrogen emits hazardous material DHMO, which has done untold environmental damage.


8 posted on 08/12/2021 6:01:09 PM PDT by kaehurowing (u)
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It takes energy to produce hydrogen. Where you procure that energy determines how “clean” it is. If you get your energy from nukes then it’s pretty clean, if you burn natural gas to get the energy then you’re still emitting carbon dioxide to produce the hydrogen, just at a different place.


9 posted on 08/12/2021 6:02:09 PM PDT by GaryCrow
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...... In total, they found that the greenhouse-gas footprint of blue hydrogen was more than 20% greater than just burning natural gas or coal for heat, and 60% more than burning diesel oil for heat......
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Later in the article ..... $8 billion earmarked by congress for hydrogen ...

Now that’s some lobbying !


10 posted on 08/12/2021 6:09:52 PM PDT by jcon40 (The other post before yours really nails it for me. IOr keep people from / PC ing in ver and alway)
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It’s no different that most of the fake green crap like lithium mining and waste for precious batteries to save the planet while they rape it.


16 posted on 08/12/2021 6:24:49 PM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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I remember during the Bush years that the libs were against it because a Republican president suggested that. I thought bacteria would liberate the hydrogen by a chemical process. No natural gas was needed in the process.


18 posted on 08/12/2021 6:43:25 PM PDT by DazedVet (Self esteem cannot be taught in school but comes from actual achievement.)
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Green Energy perpetual motion machines - bump for later...


20 posted on 08/12/2021 7:51:43 PM PDT by indthkr
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And where do they propose to get the massive electrical power to create the hydrogen in the first place?

While the US pursues the Utopian dream of zero emissions with the prospect of continual brownout and blackouts, China builds coal-fired power plants like hot cakes, plus innovative nuclear reactors.


27 posted on 08/13/2021 4:41:47 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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