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KFF: COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States
Kaiser Family Foundation ^ | Jul 30, 2021 | Jennifer Kates, Lindsey Dawson, Emma Anderson, Anna Rouw, Josh Michaud, and Natalie Singer

Posted on 08/02/2021 7:23:46 AM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest

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To: NotQuiteCricket
Excited to see that when you are vaccinated and test positive for SARS2 COVID 19 you can die from something non COVID.

From the article: "Importantly, not all hospitalizations and deaths of those fully vaccinated and diagnosed with COVID-19 are due to COVID-19 or have a known cause at the time of reporting."

You'll note that this distinction was not usually pointed out by our medical experts when people were dying of/with COVID pre-vaccine. And when others pointed it out, they were shouted down by these same experts.

Double-standards and all...
21 posted on 08/02/2021 8:50:36 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: fireman15
The damage that these experimental "vaccines" are doing to people's perception of vaccination programs is profound.

That may be the worst aspect of this. I have people in my immediate circle who are medical professionals who no longer trust their supervisors or what the medical establishment is saying.
22 posted on 08/02/2021 8:53:32 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Mom MD

When you get a Covid test, does it distinguish between the original and the delta variant? Do over the counter tests test for this? Only the hospital tests?

Thanks!!


23 posted on 08/02/2021 8:54:14 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory (.)
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To: NotQuiteCricket
From the article -

... and there is no single, public repository for data by state or data on breakthrough infections, since the CDC stopped monitoring them. [May 1]

24 posted on 08/02/2021 8:54:59 AM PDT by RideForever (Know Islam, No Peace; Know Peace, No Islam)
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To: Gil4

“The success of the vaccinations is measured by the number of vaccinated who get the flu.”

Yes, a booster may be in order. ;^)


25 posted on 08/02/2021 9:04:10 AM PDT by TheDon (Resist the usurpers)
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To: Mom MD

I do not think those that have had confirmed covid need the vaccine

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So I’ll try my question again.

Why no discussion about those with immunity not needing the vaccine?

And why the need for the sarcasm in your first post towards ‘anti-vaxxers’ when you won’t even ponder and answer my question?
There’s some reason they want literally everyone to have this vaccine. Again, you’ll chime in with your sarcasm towards people who have great reason not to trust government leaders yet you won’t chime in on this question?


26 posted on 08/02/2021 9:09:42 AM PDT by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!Trump Trump announced the coming appointments of bar in Milian)
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To: Mom MD

My friend’s mother was vaccinated. She still got Covid and ended up in the hospital for several days.


27 posted on 08/02/2021 9:11:21 AM PDT by ncdrumr (Oooh, SarahCUda!)
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To: Antoninus
I have people in my immediate circle who are medical professionals who no longer trust their supervisors or what the medical establishment is saying.

It is the same among Hazmat professionals. The propaganda may work temporarily on the uninformed but most of those with training are able to figure out when they have been misled. The big problem here is that the purpose of the misinformation is not the public's best interest... it is pure politics.

28 posted on 08/02/2021 9:15:22 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: MustKnowHistory
When you get a Covid test, does it distinguish between the original and the delta variant?

None of the tests for Covid done for individuals can distinguish between the original and the delta variant.

29 posted on 08/02/2021 9:21:23 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: ncdrumr
My friend's mother was vaccinated. She still got Covid and ended up in the hospital for several days.

My brother and sister in law were vaccinated and both still got Covid. Neither of them became seriously ill, but they did manage to spread it to other people.

30 posted on 08/02/2021 9:24:13 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: fireman15

PCR tests may not distinguish, but would think a test using genetic sequencing would,


31 posted on 08/02/2021 9:32:21 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory (.)
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To: bramps

I don’t understand what you want me to chime in on. I already said I do not think those that have had a proven case of covid need to be vaccinated.

As for the sarcasm feel free to peruse the comments and see the hate directed my way for standing up to the wilder conspiracy theories and false information and daring to post that the vaccines are good for some people. Those that openly wish for my death and all those that have been vaccinated are likely saddened that we are still here and the vaccines are effective.


32 posted on 08/02/2021 9:34:59 AM PDT by Mom MD ( )
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To: MustKnowHistory
PCR tests may not distinguish, but would think a test using genetic sequencing would.

None of the tests used for individuals can distinguish. The testing technique you are describing is not used for individuals.

33 posted on 08/02/2021 9:39:17 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: Mom MD

I appreciate your input and while not a medical professional, have been fighting the battle on another site.

It is very frustrating to read the wild comments from people who either read questionable literature, or read reliable information and then totally misrepresent what it says.

People in general seem to have a hard time with statistics, percentages, and the concept of distributions.


34 posted on 08/02/2021 9:41:51 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory (.)
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To: MustKnowHistory

This seems to be the info I was looking for

We don’t always know [the variant] when we do the regular tests,” Winter said. “We do that in epidemiological studies ... The routine testing for COVID-19 will just tell you if you have the coronavirus. It doesn’t tell you what strain you might have.”
Health officials are able to identify COVID-19 strains through genetic sequencing, a process different from a standard COVID-19 test.
For example, earlier this month, Parkland’s chief medical officer, Dr. Joe Chang, estimated that 30-40% of new COVID-19 cases in North Texas were of the delta variant. But that was an estimate because, as Chang explained, it would be impractical for Parkland to test every COVID-19 test for genetic sequencing to identify the specific variant.

From

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/delta-variant-you-get-covid-19-will-you-know-its-the-delta-variant-why-you-likely-wont/287-205dd35b-086b-4ced-9bfb-96d98fff83fe


35 posted on 08/02/2021 9:46:53 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory (.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

RT-PCR testing gives you a positive/negative result for presence of SARS-CoV-2, but does NOT identify the specific variant. For that, CDC takes a random sampling of positive test specimens and does whole genome sequencing. It’s through this process that the actual variant is identified.

This is done on a subset of positive specimens because it costs about $130 to sequence the genome of a single sample. This is how the statistics are compiled on which variants are active.


36 posted on 08/02/2021 9:53:29 AM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: BRL

The data in Table 1 shows reporting data from Jan 1 2021 - dates in July mostly ending around July 20th (depends on the individual state and how up to date their data is).


37 posted on 08/02/2021 9:56:36 AM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: Mom MD

Thank you for the first-hand reporting! While the state-by-state data is important to look at, I also think it’s great to have actual eyes on the ground verifying whether it matches with the personal experience of professionals directly managing this.


38 posted on 08/02/2021 9:59:10 AM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Thanks! This is the conclusion I came to in the comment above.


39 posted on 08/02/2021 10:01:54 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory (.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
This is done on a subset of positive specimens because it costs about $130 to sequence the genome of a single sample.

ROTF!!

We're supposed to believe that the people responsible for the so-called infrastructure bill give a rat's hairy hind end about cost?!

🤣🤣🤣🤣

40 posted on 08/02/2021 10:02:18 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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