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To: DiogenesLamp

I used to believe the stupid birther argument against Cruz like you do, but after researching it I found out people in their underwear in their basement using a Google were misleading everyone and Mark was right after all. See below.

Cruz’s mother is an American citizen, was an American citizen when she gave birth to Cruz, and is, in fact, Cruz’s mother. Seems fairly simple. Not only that, American citizens give birth to American citizens, whether here or abroad. That’s not only common sense, it is the law. And think about it for a moment — if you follow their stupid argument, babies born of American citizens serving abroad in our military would be non-naturalized citizens ineligible to run for president. That’s stupid.


74 posted on 07/19/2021 3:51:12 PM PDT by conservative98
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To: conservative98
I used to believe the stupid birther argument against Cruz like you do, but after researching it I found out people in their underwear in their basement using a Google were misleading everyone and Mark was right after all.

So you are basing your opinion on finding out about people in underwear in their basements? I don't think that is a very good basis for an informed opinion.

Me? I read historical documents. I found out information I did not know, and i've traced the origin of the meaning "natural born citizen" farther back then most people are aware of.

I know how the current confusion came about, and I can tell you exactly who is responsible for it, and why he sowed this confusion.

Cruz’s mother is an American citizen, was an American citizen when she gave birth to Cruz, and is, in fact, Cruz’s mother. Seems fairly simple.

Cruz's mother is an American citizen. That is a fact. Now tell me when congress made it legal for women to pass on citizenship to children born in foreign countries? Show me you know what you are talking about.

And think about it for a moment — if you follow their stupid argument, babies born of American citizens serving abroad in our military would be non-naturalized citizens ineligible to run for president.

That is incorrect. The source of "natural born citizen" articulates a very specific exemption for children of soldiers serving their country on the seas and in other nations.

75 posted on 07/19/2021 4:11:25 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: conservative98

conservative98, surely you realize that if Ted Cruz were born in Cuba to his U.S. citizen mother, and his dad Rafael instead of being an emigree never left Cuba but instead had been holding increasingly important bureaucratic posts in Castro’s dictatorial government, the U.S.’s claim on the hide of young Ted would be pretty darn weak as opposed to Cuba’s.

In truth, in today’s world, Ted’s birth circumstances would probably cause him to fall into the specific respective formulae naturalization statures both in the U.S. AND in Cuba, such that, strictly speaking, he would be a Natural Born Citizen of NEITHER country.

As it is, Cruz is equivalently Cuban AND American based on the circumstances of his birth, with Canada getting the bronze medal.
That said, there are in this country nuthatches that believe that mere birth on U.S. soil to two non-U.S. citizens makes one an NBC, hello President Nidal Hamda, or Hamza is it? (The terrorist whose freakshow parents established a beachhead here for purposes of that killer’s birth, and then split), and, of course, now President Harris!


78 posted on 07/19/2021 4:57:29 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: conservative98
"I used to believe the stupid birther argument against Cruz like you do, but after researching it I found out people in their underwear in their basement using a Google were misleading everyone and Mark was right after all. See below. Cruz’s mother is an American citizen, was an American citizen when she gave birth to Cruz, and is, in fact, Cruz’s mother. Seems fairly simple. Not only that, American citizens give birth to American citizens, whether here or abroad. That’s not only common sense, it is the law. And think about it for a moment — if you follow their stupid argument, babies born of American citizens serving abroad in our military would be non-naturalized citizens ineligible to run for president. That’s stupid."

Once again the train has left the station and you ain't on it. It takes TWO citizen parents PLUS being born on the soil to ensure allegiance to the United States. Did you not read the post that said according to your definition the king of England could have fathered a child with an American women and that child would be eligible to be President of the United States? How do you reconcile that fact with your logic? Do you think that's what the founders intended? I know that sounds silly but that is EXACTLY what you are saying. What about any American man traveling abroad to China who fathers a child with a women in China? The child having never even been to the US would be a natural born citizen according to your definition or do you think only women produce natural born citizens? If that's the case you are really really in the weeds with your logic.

80 posted on 07/19/2021 5:21:25 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: conservative98
And think about it for a moment — if you follow their stupid argument, babies born of American citizens serving abroad in our military would be non-naturalized citizens ineligible to run for president.

It is also true. Children born abroad to US military are not NBC of the USA except in certain circumstances. See John McCain.

88 posted on 07/19/2021 6:44:27 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: conservative98
I've noticed you had time to reply to others and I was wondering if you had forgotten about me?

I did ask you what year it was that Congress allowed women to transfer citizenship to their children who were born in foreign countries. I'm thinking you did not know that it required an actual law passed by congress to make this happen.

The first law that allowed women to transfer citizenship was the "Cable act of 1922."

Prior to that, women were not allowed to pass on citizenship to their children if their children were born in a foreign country.

97 posted on 07/20/2021 7:34:12 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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