Posted on 06/26/2021 2:50:00 AM PDT by nickcarraway
Agreed. The way it works today, there is no situation so bad, that it can't be made worse by adding a cop to the mix.
True, but they are agents of the state who wear magical blue suits that absolve them of responsibility.
The hero wasn’t a black criminal thug.
What a tragedy.
So sorry for those left behind.
AGREED; hell, even back in 68 we were trained to differentiate between an innocent villager and a VC or NVA.
If I recall correctly it was called the “quick kill method”, several weeks of Staging training so we wouldn’t inadvertently kill poor old mama san or poppa san.
JUST THE BAD GUYS.
Police are not executioners. The don’t shoot first then find out what’s going on. The PoPo deserves a shoot first response.
An AR-15 requires a LARGE holster!
LOL
Deadly Pop Tarts!
“If the article is true, Hurley should have put the perp’s weapon down immediately when he saw the responding officer. Step away from it with hands in the air.”
That probably would have saved his life. It’s what I plan to do if I am ever in that situation. Or perhaps just lie on the ground with my hands on my head.
I’m going to be too busy not drawing friendly fire to worry about my dignity.
Friendly fire incidents in recorded military history, account for an estimated 2% to 20% of total casualties.
You clearly don’t have a clue as to what qualified immunity means.
Qualified immunity is not absolute immunity, despite what Twatter and YouTube told you.
Qualified immunity does not apply if one commits criminal, malicious, reckless, or grossly negligent acts. It doesn’t apply to violations of clearly established Constitutional or statutory rights.
It applies ONLY to the “gray area” when the law is not clear. Officers are stripped of their qualified immunity all the time.
Read Cromartie v. Billings for but one example of thousands.
“I’m sure you’ll let us know when they finally make it on to the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the nation, if that ever happens.”
It seems to me that accidental death and premeditated murder are qualitatively different, especially when evil men murder those we have appointed to protect us from those same evil men.
When a crab fisherman is accidentally killed, it is a severe misfortune for that fisherman and his family.
When an LEO is intentionally murdered, that is a heinous crime that affects us all. It corrupts and degrades the very fabric of civilization.
At first blush, your argument seems valid. However, one really can’t compare the prospect of accidental death in the pursuit of a risky occupation with accepting a public service role that marks one for murder at the hands of criminals.
“This is almost certainly a case of the cop not giving the guy a chance to surrender the rifle.”
“The guy hadn’t dropped it by the time they leveled their sights so they shot him.”
Right on the money... And that is the problem. No chances to do so are given. And this holds true with simple “failure to follow an official command”. Just far too quick on the trigger.
Yep, those too, or just making a gun gesture with your hand.
No doubt - likely in the lighter-trained or draftee outfits. Some of that data is skewed because the Air Force tends to bomb from way up to avoid their casualties, while increasing ours (we had 22 Marines killed when an F-100 ignored the air panels, flares, radio calls, and smoke grenades and bombed us anyway in August 1966).
But among more highly-trained troops "friendly fire" incidents were almost nonexistent. We were even careful with surrendering enemy troops.
No, the cops shoot too fast: bad quality control in their selection and rabbiting off rounds when they get scared. That young man should not have been shot.
Many of the cops we have today are of lesser intelligence and enjoy the power and relative immunity they have had with the uniform. Too many instances of people getting hurt or killed while "failing to comply".
Cops often miss that they are public servants, not barely restrained lethal force distributers.
There are many, many good techniques for resolving situations with accused lawbreakers without immediately resorting to the "empty the magazine" option.
With luck, criticising rotten cop behavior will eventually result in better quality, more effective, citizen's rights respecting police.
Hmmm. Lets see. 24% of U.S. deaths during the first Gulf War were friendly fire incidents.
Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire, and that was a Special Forces unit. Hard to say that they were “lighter-trained.”
Same thing for Matthew Ford, a Royal Marine Commando.
Same story during the Iraq War too.
Pat Tillman's outfit was not well trained and definitely not well disciplined - "Special Forces" or not, they not only shot like it was the first-ever firefight (and it apparently was) but then their command lied about it afterward.
Not great examples to prove your thesis, that police should be forgiven for blowing this heroic kid away, just because "anyone can do it".
I suspect striongly that despite your floundering around with Google searches, you have been in combat. I have - and I've also seen sharp, competent cops but not all that many lately. The cop (still unidentified) who killed this young guy failed, badly.
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