Posted on 06/15/2021 7:38:01 AM PDT by maddog55
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I just used that as a common cell name for illustration.
This is one autoimmune disorder specific to red blood cells:
https://www.ihtc.org/autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
I agree 100% that the lockdowns are the result of the decisions of the political leadership and not something inevitable as a consequence of the virus. However, you and I are both aware that the political leadership in this country leaps to lockdowns as the solution to this virus. That’s their first and main reaction to it. So the practical effect of a rise in COVID-19 cases and deaths is a lockdown.
To avoid a lockdown, a rise in cases and deaths should be avoided. No lockdowns are justifiable to the public if we’re showing Israeli numbers (averaging 15 new COVID cases and 1 COVID death a day for the entire country). So I’d like to be where Israel is with this: back to normal with a recovering economy and with no sign of any change. The virus is dead in Israel. I’d like to see it dead here too.
No lockdowns are justifiable at all.
Quarantine the sick only, just like was done for thousands of years before.
And treat them early instead of sending them home to take their chances and only come in when they can’t breathe and/or their lips are turning blue.
That’s medical malpractice right there.
Plenty of studies and real-world situations show it does wonders, but needs to be administered before the ICU gets involved.
Absolutely yes. The lipid package with mRNA collects in the ovaries as well as bone marrow. This is undisputed and something I would think you would have know as an advocate.
Per the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, there is no effect on pregnancy outcomes for taking the COVID-19 vaccines, but there can be a disastrous effect on outcomes for becoming infected with COVID-19.
For all the fearmongering that’s done about pregnant women and these vaccines, it’s actually the virus that’s the problem for them.
I’m not asking about pregnant women although thank you for clarifying that this is not a safety issue. I suspect there is little supporting data for this position, but will leave it at that for now.
Are you also saying there are no issues with the package collecting in the ovaries? Long term as this bio distribution was unexpected? At least according to Dr. Malone. Reproductive toxicity discussed at 2:42:45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY Honest position is we don’t know. The data is not there.
For what it’s worth, despite Dr. Malones concerns, he did get vaccinated. He says he waited long enough for ADE not to be an issue and having long haul covid it helped with symptoms.
Three things on this:
1) None of the components of the vaccine last more than a few days inside the human body. For Pfizer and Moderna, they don’t even last long outside a specialized freezer. Regardless of where the body may move components around to, they’re immediately starting to break down to lipids, sugars, and phosphates, which your body is full of and uses regularly.
2) Regarding “reproductive toxicity”, again, there have been thousands of pregnancies for people who either became pregnant after getting vaccinated or were pregnant when they got vaccinated and all evidence to date shows no negative impact on either fertility or pregnancy outcomes.
3) While we don’t have data on the vaccines from beyond 15 months, we also don’t have data on the effects of COVID-19 beyond 15 months. What we do know from the data we have is that COVID-19 infection frequently causes significant (visible) damage to heart and lung tissue even without symptoms, that it puts about 5% of people in the hospital with the symptoms it causes, that it kills 0.65% - 1% of those it infects, and that it causes long term problems (i.e. “long haul COVID”) in up to 20% of people who’ve been hospitalized (~1% of those infected). People like Dr. Malones, who despite having concerns, as you pointed out, was ready and willing to try a COVID-19 vaccine to hopefully alleviate those long term symptoms.
So on the one hand, we have a lot of “what if” scenarios that exist on both sides, because we have no long term data on either side (infection or vaccination). But on the other hand, we have millions of people hospitalized, lung and heart scarring, hundreds of thousands of deaths, and long term quality of life issues present with COVID-19. The identified issues with the vaccines are rare (the most common serious side effect - clots with J&J - being about 1 in 400,000) and mostly avoidable (don’t get Pfizer or Moderna if you have a known severe allergy problem and don’t get J&J if you’re a female of childbearing age).
Hundreds of millions of people around the world, including about 175 million people in the US have gotten COVID-19 vaccines so far. If there were major, widespread issues, we’d well know about them by now. COVID-19 kills 0.65 - 1% of the people it infects. If you gave COVID-19 to all 175 million Americans who’ve had a vaccine instead of the vaccine, somewhere between 1,137,500 and 1,750,000 of them would already be dead. I don’t see anyone trying to claim over a million vaccine recipients are dead. At most, I see people trying to claim 5,000 are.
what we also know is the govt has repeatedly misinformed, deceived and or lied about much of the disease,
the election, Russia, China, Bidens,etc...so believe what you want...there is an old saying fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.
we also know the story of the little boy who cried wolf...
I am not your “enemy” (I don’t know you), and I certainly didn’t call you any pejorative names. I did call Luc Montagnier a “crank.” Unfortunately, Montagnier has gone off the scientific deep end in the years since he won the Nobel Prize, and I said that this is (sadly) often the case with Nobelists. The problem most often arises when a Nobel Prize winner uses the newly elevated new platform to pontificate about matters far distant from his area(s) of expertise. Examples from differend fields of study in recent years are Linus Pauling, Kary Mullis, and Paul Krugman. For more on Montagnier’s turn to pseudoscience:
And the CDC, which is holding an emergency meeting on Friday about it.
-PJ
“a large percentage of healthcare workers refuse to take them. (COVID vaccination)”
The article that you linked reported that 52% of those they surveyed had already been vaccinated. The US average is 52.6%, as of today’s report.
According to those they surveyed, about 19% more intended to get vaccinated (bringing the total to 71%) and the rest were either undecided, or opposed.
It is very similar to the population average. Nothing very noteworthy. They had a broad definition of “health care worker”, including receptionists and home health care workers, and a relatively small sample size of 1,327.
It is also a snapshot in time, as opinions on getting vaccinated have been generally shifting over time.
Another of your links was about 93 doctors in Israel who recommend not vaccinating children there - but who do not oppose vaccinating all adults.
The other two fringe sites you linked, varied radically from those two, with outlandish unsubstantiated claims. So those, I would say are wrong.
Still confused why getting vaccinated naturally via the 25+ proteins in the virus isn’t good enough and mandatory vaccines are required. Nothing makes sense.
The proteins will be made as long as the mRNA is active. Half life is what exactly.
It may be found the protein alone causes more damage than the protein + rest of the virus.
The fact is we don’t know. Nobody knows. They Or we are just now figuring out the S1 causes it’s own damage.
When a guy like Dr. Malone, who invented the mRNA vaccine expresses concerns i pay attention to them. Wish you well and hope there are no issues with it. Time will tell.
Did you hear what he actually said?
Very true...haven’t had the virus, nor the vaccine...am over 60 and know several folks who have had the shots, gotten the virus after the first or second shot, two have died and another two now have sudden serious health problems - one heart vein clotting and another sudden stage 4 kidney failure issues neither had / nor detected weeks before they had the vaccines....they and their docs are quite mystified????!!!!
Weinstein: That is one problem it isn’t where it’s supposed to be ideally. And the other problem is and this is your area of expertise is what these vaccines do is that they encode spike protein alone so that the immune system so that it will learn to recognize spike protein and it will catch it quickly when one is confronted with covid. But, the spike protein itself we now know is very dangerous...it’s cytotoxic. Is that a fair description?
Malone: More than fair and I alerted the FDA about this risk months and months and months ago and we had discussions. So, just to nail the point home, they did know. I did send them manuscripts and their determination was they didn’t think that was sufficient documentation of the risk that the spike was biologically active.
Weinstein: We now know the spike protein is very dangerous we know that it is biologically active
Malone: It is dangerous and biologically active
Weinstein: we also know if it was very dangerous, but if it did what the brochure on these vaccines says it should do which is lodge in the membrane of the cells that are doing the transcribing it would be a lot less destructive, right?
Malone: I thinks that’s fair and it is not just the documentation of the vaccine; it’s the prior literature that was put out by the people who developed it, that developed these clones so they were aware there was a risk of the spike being biologically active and having adverse events if it did not stay stuck to the cells that were transfected that got the mRNA and made it. They used a genetically engineered method of putting a transmembraned domain on it to insure that it stayed anchored and stayed put and they did limited non-clinical studies to say “looks like it stays stuck; we engineered it to stay stuck” and they published that.
Malone: Here’s the thing; that’s generally not good enough in a non-clinical data package so before we get a product released in humans in the normal situation where we are not in a rush we have some really rigorous tests that have to be done on animals and revealing that spike gets cleaved off of expressed cells and becomes free is something that absolutely should have been something that is known and understood well before this is ever put in humans so I will just leave it at that.
The spike protein generated by the "vaxx" mRNA has two inserts of proline that change it's behavior from the version mounted on the SARS-CoV-2 capsid. The "normal" behavior first attaches to the ACE2 receptor, then snaps to a new configuration that drives fusion to the cell membrane it is infecting. The "vaxx" spike protein has 2 proline inserts that prevent the "snap" as it isn't needed. Instead, the spike protein remain attached to the ACE2 receptor and exposes its interior structure to the immune system. Some of the interior structure includes sections that mimic antigens on thrombocytes. The consequence is antibody built against thrombocytes giving rise to a complement driven clotting of thrombocytes, thrombocytopenia and hemorrhaging for lack of thrombocytes.
Two kinds of clotting can occur. One is tempered by heparin, turmeric, aspirin or ibuprofen. The 2nd kind of clotting is an auto-immune reaction where the "complement" element in blood plasma binds an antibody to a thrombocyte. It is this 2nd type that is driven by the "vaxx" spike protein. The only rescue from the 2nd type is a suppression of complement. It is usually too late to act when the 2nd type is in play.
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