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To: Avalon Memories

As I’ve said here before, the whole “Pence is a traitor” thing is bull crap. His ability to reject electoral ballots was wholly theoretical, and a not very strong theory at that. Completely politically untenable. If he has tried it I think both he and Trump would have been impeached for usurpation of power, with a fair chance at conviction.

I don’t think I’ll find much disagreement here that Trump was not good at personnel choices, and this was one of them. Pence did a serviceable job, but shouldn’t have been picked in the first place, for the reason you cite. I didn’t like the choice when it was made.

Given his blandness, and the significant nutter “he’s a traitor” brigade, the notion he could lead this party is laughable.


85 posted on 03/30/2021 8:43:51 AM PDT by j.havenfarm (20 years on Free Republic, 12/10/20! More than 3700 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: j.havenfarm

Nothing theoretical about it. The Constitution is plain when it comes to that.


88 posted on 03/30/2021 8:49:11 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: j.havenfarm
I don't see Pence as a traitor. I also don't think the President did as bad a job of personnel choices as you and others believe. Starting with Pence, his blandness was precisely the right counterpoint to Trump's feiry personality.

When someone is interviewed for a job, they present themselves in the best possible light to get the job. However, it is not uncommon for the facade to crumble once the person is in the job for awhile. This seems to be especially true in the political world. Trump looked for experienced Washington hands due to his own lack of DC experience. Some, such as Pompeo, turned out great. Too many others were snakes hidden in the DC swamp grass. Too many betrayed him although he hired them in good faith. At the time just about everyone on our side thought Sessions was a great pick for AG, for a prime example.

105 posted on 03/30/2021 9:32:50 AM PDT by Avalon Memories (Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...)
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To: j.havenfarm; Avalon Memories; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; GOPsterinMA; NFHale

He may not be a traitor but he sure is a pussy. He should have refused to rubber stamp the coup. Make the pigs work for it, whether it would have made any difference in the end is immaterial. He stood there and said that senile old POS won when he didn’t. He handed over his own job to that knob-gobbling whore with a smile. And now the “President” is a senile deep-state puppet (essentially he’s the Queen of England) and the “Vice President” is a slag who rose to the top on her back. More disgraceful than Obama if you ask me. To go along with that to any degree is unacceptable. If he wasn’t man enough to stand there and say no he could have at least absented himself and let Grassley or Leaky Leahy do the “honors”. Pathetic.

Hindsight is 20/20 but he was a good enough VP choice for winning the 2016 election, a “bland” conservative with socon cred was exactly what was needed to bring the party together. Other top choices were worse. Fat ass Christie? He was the runner up.

It was clear early on though that he was no “heir”. As VP-elect he went to see “Hamilton” (a questionable choice to begin with) and told his kids approvingly “this is what democracy sounds like” when the cast booed him for no reason. I ignored it at the time but talk about a red flag. That was a straight up Bush move.

Look deeper into his past and see apologized for “negative campaigning” after his first (failed) run for office. You can argue it was ploy cause he thought he lost by being too “mean” but damn.


154 posted on 03/31/2021 5:45:43 PM PDT by Impy ("Burn them all!!" - King Aerys II Targaryen, I share the sentiment )
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