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Take the Shot
Townhall.com ^ | March 27, 2021 | Charles Sauer

Posted on 03/27/2021 4:39:13 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Bulwyf
But hey, as long as you can take a vacation to Mexico or go on a cruise.

Is that why I am supposed to take the vaccine? I've never been on either and have no plans to do so. I did go to Europe a few times but my passport expired 15 years ago.

When push comes to shove, stand back amd watch real Americans stand for freedom.

Freedom? Is that the new anti-vaxxer slogan?

141 posted on 03/27/2021 2:51:01 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: palmer

It’ll get to the point where you won’t be able to buy or sell without a mark. It’s all control and conditioning. I suppose you’re also ok with how closely related the abortion industry is to vaccines. Hey, it’s all for a greater good though right?


142 posted on 03/27/2021 3:00:20 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Cathi
Thanks for the chart. This time I counted the died column and there are 1957 total. So I was wrong when I went looking for deceased and died and death in the text description. Lots of shortness of breath and cardiac arrest in the descriptions and I missed all of those.

So yeah, I'm going to have to change my calculus for the vaccine. 2,000 deaths with 60 million vaccinations. That means 99.997% survival from vaccination. From the 3,000 deaths per day at the peak back in January from 200,000 cases per day at the peak, I would at least double the cases for the undetected cases. That means the disease was 99.25% survivable. I'd still go with the shot.

143 posted on 03/27/2021 3:22:04 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Stentor
I was wrong, the VAERS data shows 2,000 deaths from 60 million vaccinations. So only 99.99% survival from getting the vaccine.

It means, in short, that the risk from the vaccine is nontrivial although still small. So people need to think about it versus their risk of getting COVID.

144 posted on 03/27/2021 3:26:01 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Bulwyf
The J&J vaccine is grown in fetal cells. The others are grown without that. The J&J people (and the Catholic church) say it's ok because it's a "fetal cell line", not fetal tissue. It came from fetuses in the beginning however.
145 posted on 03/27/2021 3:31:44 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Kaslin

“For my family this isn’t an issue, we are vaccinated or plan to be vaccinated. And, I don’t truly care what your family decides“

Sure he does, otherwise why write a patronizing screed about his moral and intellectual superiority to “ Trump supporters..


146 posted on 03/27/2021 3:35:30 PM PDT by silverleaf (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: palmer

means nothing if the are going to force us to wear masks & distance forever.


147 posted on 03/27/2021 3:53:12 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign! )
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To: Justa

I’m told that one should have a nervous system test to determine their immunities before they have the vaccine. Just sayin’ and I am not a doctor. Anyone else heard such a thing?


148 posted on 03/27/2021 4:13:54 PM PDT by kempster (w President of all time.)
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To: palmer

Which is all a no go for me.


149 posted on 03/27/2021 4:24:23 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: bramps

If you believe China created the virus, it seems at least possible that they built in some kind of literal dead man’s switch for when the virus is combined with a vaccine.
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So when Covid 21 or 22 appears, it nails those zillions who got the experimental shots. Sounds like a plan for world domination without firing a shot(no pun intended).
They would never do that would they?/HUGE SARC

Besides, Fauci says it’s safe. He’d never tell us falsehoods.

“This virus was newly discovered in January of 2020. FALSE; Judicial watch has now proved that Fauci and the NIH knew that Covid-19 was diagnosed no later than December 2nd 2019 in Wuhan. This was deliberately concealed under confidentiality agreements between China and the NIH. In short Dr. Fauci and the NIH knowingly and repeatedly lied about the time of first discovery and diagnosis and it is documented that this was known in February and early March and not disclosed. We also now know with scientific certainty that the virus was in the US no later than the second week of December of 2019 because antibodies were found in about 1.5% of blood donations from that time. “
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/emails-who-terms/

But wait, there’s more!
http://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=241875


150 posted on 03/27/2021 4:53:57 PM PDT by JCL3 (As Richard Feynman might have said, this is reality taking precedence over public relations.)
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To: JCL3

Why would they need to kill us when we’re already essentially subjugated?


151 posted on 03/27/2021 4:56:03 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Yup! New drugs require several trials to be approved. “Phase III” is the largest, and last, and is designed specifically to detect long-term issues.

Phase III requirements were waived by the FDA for these vaccines, under “Emergency Use.” Emergency Use can only be granted if no other treatments are available. Cough* Ivermectin Cough * HCQ...Oh, and you can’t sue the vax manufacturers. They are exempt, of course. And paid a gazillion by Uncle Sugar.

Websearch “”virus Europe Narcolepsy.” Go ahead. Here, I’ve made it easy:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=virus+europe+narcolepsy


Thank you for posting this...I was going to if it was not on the thread.

IMHO those taking the shots (that feel fine 2 weeks after getting the jabs) ARE the phase 3 trial participants...

And I seem to recall reading that some pharma companies have tried to obtain approval to do Phase 3 trials in the past on RNA type shots, but did not succeed in gaining approval due to safety concerns.


152 posted on 03/27/2021 5:19:24 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Republicans will get the government they deserve if they do nothing :()
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To: Tennessee Conservative

You have yourself some fine doctors.


153 posted on 03/27/2021 5:21:07 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Republicans will get the government they deserve if they do nothing :()
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To: Freedom56v2

All vaccines went through proper phase 3 trials. In fact the FDA forced the Oxford vaccine to do a phase 3 study that represents the American population after the company did other phase 3 studies in the world.


154 posted on 03/27/2021 5:24:01 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Bulwyf

The adults are talking, get back in the pen with the other sheep. When push comes to shove, stand back amd watch real Americans stand for freedom. You’ve obviously not realized what this is all about. But hey, as long as you can take a vacation to Mexico or go on a cruise.


Someone said sheep are afraid of the wolf...but it is the shepherd who sheers and eats the sheep...


155 posted on 03/27/2021 5:38:36 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Republicans will get the government they deserve if they do nothing :()
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Dr. Nepute said tonic water has quinine in it...like Hydroxychloroquine...And it helps with zinc entry into cells.

I have some on-hand, but I take quercetin daily...It is good for immune system and helps with zinc uptake just like quinine.


156 posted on 03/27/2021 5:40:42 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Republicans will get the government they deserve if they do nothing :()
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To: hawkaw

Remember we live in 1984...Nothing is at it was...definitions change.

IMHO Phase III trials have been re-defined as they only lasted for weeks, not years...prior to approval...See below some where enrolled in a 2 year study—which obviously is not complete...

Those taking the jab now are the participants in what would be normal traditional Phase 3 or 4.

Below links to articles with traditional definitions of Phase III and IV. MY COMMENTS IN ALL CAPS

However you wish to define Phase 3 or 4, this is an experimental pharmaceutical product...Some wish to participate, some don’t.

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https://ocrc.net/what-is-the-difference-between-phase-3-and-4-clinical-trials/

Phase 1 is when a treatment is tested for the first time. This phase is generally done with a small group of volunteers. It primarily assesses safety and side effects of the treatment in question.

During Phase 2, the treatment is tested with a larger group of volunteers. This assesses its effectiveness and further evaluate its safety.

Phase 3 compares the new treatment to existing treatments. This is done with an even larger group of volunteers, and generally for a longer period of time. As a result, rare and/or long-term side effects are more likely to be discovered. Phase 3 is the final phase before a treatment receives FDA approval.

Following FDA approval, a treatment goes through Phase 4. This phase involves the largest group of participants. It can last for several years as researchers continue to monitor the efficacy and safety of the treatment.

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https://www.healthline.com/health/clinical-trial-phases

What happens in phase III?
Phase III of a clinical trial usually involves up to 3,000 participants who have the condition that the new medication is meant to treat. Trials in this phase can last for several years.

The purpose of phase III is to evaluate how the new medication works in comparison to existing medications for the same condition. To move forward with the trial, investigators need to demonstrate that the medication is at least as safe and effective as existing treatment options.

To do this, investigators use a process called randomization. This involves randomly choosing some participants to receive the new medication and others to receive an existing medication.

Phase III trials are usually double-blind, which means that neither the participant nor the investigator knows which medication the participant is taking. This helps to eliminate bias when interpreting results.

The FDA usually requires a phase III clinical trial before approving a new medication. Due to the larger number of participants and LONGER DURATION or phase III, rare and long-term side effects are more likely to show up during this phase.

If investigators demonstrate that the medication is at least as safe and effective as others already on the market,* the FDA will usually approve the medication.

Roughly 25 to 30 percent Trusted Source of medications move on to phase IV.

**NONE ON MARKET

DID FIND THIS...BUT IT IS A 2 YEARS STUDY AND SO NO NWAY IS IT COMPLETE AS IT HAS ONLY BEEN JUST DEVELOPED...
https://www.henryford.com/moderna-vaccine/faqs#Commitment


157 posted on 03/27/2021 6:10:53 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Republicans will get the government they deserve if they do nothing :()
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To: Kaslin
"there is a large cohort of individuals that are still reluctant to take a vaccine.

Just as there is a large cohort of individuals that are still think obamacare was a good thing.
158 posted on 03/27/2021 6:24:50 PM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: bramps

Don’t be shocked, but the Chinese probably stole it from the US or Canada. Right before the outbreak, several Chinese scientists were kicked out of Canada for stealing secrets. The US and Canada do not want it known that they are still doing biological weapons research. The Chinese screwed up and accidentally let it loose, or perhaps, they did it on purpose. Tyrannical regimes are notoriously inept.


159 posted on 03/27/2021 6:36:33 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ("War is the health of the state." Randolph Bourne)
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To: Freedom56v2

The phase 3 trials were cut for the vaccines. The phase 3 trials were properly run. What was expedited was eliminating the red tape to allow the studies and their assessments to move forward in real time. And you can thank President Trump for a lot of it.

I am very familiar how these trials work and have been involved in my fair share of them.


160 posted on 03/27/2021 7:00:16 PM PDT by hawkaw
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