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China has UPPER HAND if war breaks out with USA - ‘Extremely challenging' for US military
https://www.msn.com ^ | 3/5/2021 | Simon Osborne

Posted on 03/05/2021 11:33:32 AM PST by RomanSoldier19

Neither side has the appetite for all-out war but experts fear their intense strategic competition in which both conduct carefully calculated tests of the other's resolve could spill over into violent confrontation. And US military expert Lyle Goldstein warned there was a solid chance the US could lose the first fight with the People's Liberation Army in the event of a full-on conflict.

Prof Goldstein from the Naval War College's China Maritime Studies Institute in Newport, Rhode Island, told Newsweek: "It is very plausible to say there is no guarantee of victory in the first phases."

He said scenarios for such a confrontation varied substantially but warned all "are extremely challenging" for US forces.

He said: "I think China now has adequate forces, including air, missile, electronic warfare, spec ops, naval, undersea and nuclear to likely prevail in the first phase and perhaps in subsequent phases too."

He said weaponry had a "quite important" role but said China would gain the upper hand because of its favourable geography, greater will and the willingness to strike first."

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biden; ccp; ccppropaganda; chatforum; china; comeonman; demoralization; fakenews; military; nonsense; redchina; redchinapropaganda; xiden
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To: BobL

We do all the R&D, their spies steal our plans, data and info, and replicate much of what we have. Don’t kid yourself.


21 posted on 03/05/2021 11:53:07 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: BobL

“Not a concern, we spend 5 times as much on our military as China spends on theirs. Therefore we CANNOT be beaten by them, or anyone else.Don’t believe this crap, the numbers PROVE them wrong.”

A high percentage of what we spend is on pensions and health care.
There are 10 industries that make a superpower.

10 years ago we controlled all 10.
Now China controls 3or 4

The US have apapox 10,000 patents each years. China last year had almost 50,000.

I have been fighting you china apologist for 20 years.


22 posted on 03/05/2021 11:54:52 AM PST by setter
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To: precisionshootist

yep, anything on MSM is what China wants us to believe.


23 posted on 03/05/2021 11:55:15 AM PST by disclaimer
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To: BobL

“Not a concern, we spend 5 times as much on our military as China spends on theirs. Therefore we CANNOT be beaten by them, or anyone else.

Don’t believe this crap, the numbers PROVE them wrong.”

Thank you for the BS detector. In addition, China’s weak economy wouldn’t stand such a conflict. Doom and gloomers are full of it.


24 posted on 03/05/2021 11:55:27 AM PST by Pirate Ragnar
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To: chief lee runamok

Depends on the ROE.

Remember they are a nuclear power. Is LA worth Taiwan?


25 posted on 03/05/2021 11:55:51 AM PST by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian)
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To: chief lee runamok
"As an ex-navy once serving in that area, I do not doubt, if unconstrained by traitorous politicos, beijing, china could be bombed into the stone age within hours by the United States military."

That is absolutely true and it is the reason why we are going to see more and more lies about the Superior Chinese military. They want to break the will of the American people. The will of the people is just as important in battle as the strength of the fighting forces. They are going to try to convince us that surrender is the best option. It's an absurd lie but it won't matter if the people believe it.

26 posted on 03/05/2021 11:56:10 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: RomanSoldier19

We are bankrupt and in collapse mode in various areas. We need a war with China like we do a hole in our head.

There is no benefit in any more wars unless United States itself is attacked. Period.


27 posted on 03/05/2021 11:56:52 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: carriage_hill

“We do all the R&D, their spies steal our plans, data and info, and replicate much of what we have. Don’t kid yourself.”

That was in the past. China had 49,000 patents granted last year, the US 10,000


28 posted on 03/05/2021 11:57:04 AM PST by setter
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To: RomanSoldier19
This is based on the story about a decade ago, that the war-gamed NK scenario resulted in a first-strike win for Young Fat because the US 1-star playing the NK side committed everything in a first strike. The 3-stars running the simulation immediately halted the game and ordered a reset.
29 posted on 03/05/2021 11:58:03 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Eric Coomer of Dominion Voting Systems Is The Blue Dress)
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To: RomanSoldier19

“Farewell to the American People”
President Dwight D. Eisenhower
Address to the nation
Washington, D.C.
https://www.airforcemag.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Documents/2004/October%202004/1004keeperfull.pdf

[Excerpt:]
“Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence-economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development.”


30 posted on 03/05/2021 12:00:24 PM PST by familyop
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To: RomanSoldier19

Geez, didn’t Iraq have a battle tested army that was gonna massacre our Army.

Oh yeah. And now China. Well with our government filled with traitor’s like PedoJoe and the rest of the communists in power.


31 posted on 03/05/2021 12:03:07 PM PST by stockpirate (Where Justice Ends Tyranny Begins...Repression Breeds Violence)
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To: RomanSoldier19

We have spent twenty years and trillions of dollars pretending to fight a loosely organized group of illiterate goatherders. We have more carrier ships than the rest of the world combined, two fifth generation fighter aircraft when the rest of the world doesn’t even have one, all of the expensive weapons and money to support development for more. The best trained and best equipped troops in history, multiple redundant echelons of special operations forces in different branches. Still, we can’t compel goatherders in Afghanistan to submit to our will.

America doesn’t fight wars to win them, it fights wars to make sure tax dollars stay flowing to defense contractors. If we fought wars to win them, we would have won long ago.


32 posted on 03/05/2021 12:03:12 PM PST by jz638
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To: RomanSoldier19

Get this.the Author of this story states that”It is very plausible to say there is no guarantee of victory in the first phases.”

I guess this guy hasn’t read much about military history.Since there are No Guarantees of victory in war.The U.S. Found that out during the Korean and Vietnam wars.

After the expenditure of billions of dollars and the loss of 66000 military personnel.


33 posted on 03/05/2021 12:07:22 PM PST by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Is Obambi’s no first strike and no nuke response if the US or Allies nuked still in place? Has Biteme reinstated that same policy after Trump changed it back to commonsense response?


34 posted on 03/05/2021 12:10:48 PM PST by A Navy Vet (Dems no longer patriots, no longer liberals, no longer socialists. Dems=communists.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

“I assume that was sarcasm.”

You figured it out!!! I don’t like to write /sarc on my posts, but instead drip out in several places. I only post what I did because PEOPLE HERE said the same - total idiots for thinking that.

The first problem we have is that China is building naval vessels 5 times faster than we are. Then, at least in recent history, it is often the country that spends less that does better (even in WW2, we were getting our butts kicked at the outset, by countries far less wealthy than us).

The next problem is how much does China REALLY spend? Do we have a source at their top levels sending us their budgets? I think not.

The next problem is what does China get for what they do spend. Do they have aerospace engineers making $200k a year, or closer to $20k a year (hint, it’s the second of the two).

The next problem is what they COULD be spending. We knew, correctly, that our economy was far larger than the Soviet economy. Can we say ours is far larger than China’s, or any larger than China’s, or even close to the size of China’s? I don’t think we know enough - but given that they vastly outproduce us on virtually everything that’s measured (such as cars, steel, concrete, power generation, etc.), I wouldn’t be surprised if their economy is already significantly larger than ours.

Look, I’m as pro-American as anyone else is here, but I DO NOT hide behind our flag to the point of not seeing what the rest of the world is doing while we’re arguing with Democrats over whether 5 year old boys should get their twang cut off because they play with their sister’s Barbie Dolls.


35 posted on 03/05/2021 12:12:28 PM PST by BobL (TheDonald.win is now Patriots.win)
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To: RomanSoldier19

This articles conclusion is true, but only because the guy on the other side of the chess board needs a bib to eat his oatmeal.


36 posted on 03/05/2021 12:12:57 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: RomanSoldier19

Will Biden and Austin send out orders to “fraternize” with the Chinese?


37 posted on 03/05/2021 12:14:23 PM PST by CMB_polarization
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To: jz638

Gee I thought we fighting in Afghanistan to keep the heroin flowing?

Is there any other viable reason to stay in Afghanistan?

They produce literally nothing. They are a land locked mountainous country of little significance. They control no major trade routes other than the home of the poppy fields. They have no oil.
I think they may have some lithium.

Maybe there is a great worldwide demand for 1980s Toyota Tacomas and Datson pick up trucks.


38 posted on 03/05/2021 12:14:27 PM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: BobL

We waste our money and pay extremely high prices. China doesn’t waste their money as much and pay for lower prices.


39 posted on 03/05/2021 12:15:20 PM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: BobL

One U.S. dollar is worth about 6.5 Chinese yuan renminbi. Chinese workers are also paid far less relative to their labor market than U.S. defense contractor employees. Chinese military hardware costs far less than U.S. hardware.


40 posted on 03/05/2021 12:18:06 PM PST by familyop
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