Can Men And Women Compete Athletically? Here’s What The Science Says.

Daily Wire ^ | Feb 18, 2021 | Paul Mosimann

[Dead Corpse]

I’ve always wondered that.

Let’s have Men’s Sports and Women’s Sports. Exclusive to biological XX/XY types respectively. No PED’s(performance enhancing drugs), no Trans, nothing... Just pure human.

Then, let’s create an “Open” class for each sport. Let the freaks out to play. PED’s, trans-whatever, and anyone else “out there” enough to want to compete in such an environment.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

I honestly could care less if some psychologically damaged man wants to wear a dress and makeup and pretend to be a girl. But don’t ruins womens sports over him!

Exactly. I have no desire to insult or hurt the feelings of any troubled person who believes he or she should be a member of the opposite sex. I'm even willing to go along with it to a certain extent - why be needlessly cruel to people in trouble. But there's a limit - I'm not going to pretend some woman who has taken testosterone is capable of carrying the same loads as a real man, and I'm not going to pretend some guy who identifies as a woman should be competing in track events with real women.

[dsrtsage]

Lets open the WNBA to NBA players and find out

[rlmorel]

There is an excellent article, written by a female Marine back in the 1990's titled:

Women in Combat: A Question of Standards by Jude Eden

The author knows what she is talking about, and isn't afraid to speak it. It explains why women should not be in any combat units, and does it brilliantly and to the point.

It is interesting that the article has been largely scrubbed from the Internet over the years. I am sure the military found it inconvenient to say the least, and Google is all too happy to bury it or remove it from search engine results unless you know exactly how to search for it.

This article is the best ever written on the subject.

[rlmorel]

See the article at the link I posted above. It addresses many relevant issues.

[rlmorel]

My mistake...the article was written in 2015, but references studies done in the 1990s...

[detch]

When some trans comes along and wins 5 or 6 major tennis tournaments in a row, that will end it.

[Jeff Chandler]

When some trans comes along and wins 5 or 6 major tennis tournaments in a row, that will end it.

Either that or everyone will keep pretending the trans is a woman.

Who would have the courage to say otherwise?

[precisionshootist]

"I know women who, in the right men’s sport, and in the right class if there is one, could compete successfully against a lot of men."

Here is where your logic if flawed. You are comparing apples to oranges. You are comparing the strongest and best women against "some" men. That's not the way real competition works. You have to compare the best women vs the best men and when you do that the women can't even make it on the scale much less be competitive.

John McEnroe said it perfectly when he responded in an interveiw that Serena Williams was the best female player ever. When the interviewer (obciously a lib dolt) asked why he had to qualify the statement by saying the best female. McEnroe replied, because if she played in the men's circuit she would be ranked like 700th in the world.

Truer words have never been spoken and anyone around pro sports on this level actually knows this whether they will admit it or not.

[StAnDeliver]

"It was the 1998 Australian Open and the Williams sisters, Venus and Serena, had seen some of the male players practising. On the basis of what they saw, they were convinced that they could beat a man ranked around 200 in the world and wanted to set up a game. At the time I was ranked 203 so the men's tour manager mentioned the possibility of a challenge to me, thinking that I was the perfect candidate.

Preparation is crucial. Remember that a game like this is light-hearted - taking it too seriously would be a mistake. My training regime consisted of a leisurely round of golf in the morning followed by a couple of shandies. I turned up on court feeling suitably laid-back.

My first game of the afternoon, just a one-set match, was against Serena. A hint: try and play your match somewhere quiet, where you're not going to be pestered by big crowds or lots of press - we were out on one of the back courts at Melbourne Park, No 17 I think it was. I felt so relaxed that I didn't even warm up properly. We started playing and I raced into a 5-0 lead.

At this point Venus turned up to watch. She had just finished a press conference after a quarter-final loss against Lindsey Davenport. In the end I won my game against Serena 6-1 but by the time we were at the net shaking hands, Venus was on court, ready to have a go against me as well. The game against Venus was very similar. I ended up winning 6-2." -- Karsten Braasch, German Tennis Professional

[BeauBo]

“the way real competition works. You have to compare the best women vs the best men”

As radio host Chris Plante, likes to point out, the top 300 High School boys in the 400m, beat the women’s Olympic record, every year.

[BeauBo]

“Back in the day your PT score was a pretty big deal. Guess not anymore?”

Men can still compete at the top of the chart for bragging rights, and some jobs (like Infantry) can be rated for a higher standard, but the low end (minimum passing) is now the least common denominator, regardless of age or gender.

21 minutes to go two miles, deadlift 140 lbs, 10 hand release push ups, etc..

[sphinx]

Golf, tennis, archery could all be coed.

Surely you jest.

I don't know what is involved in competitive archery today, but I have watched the serious reenactor types who are expert with medieval weaponry. I don't mean the goofball reenactors; I mean the guys who live their sport and who could probably enlist tomorrow with Richard the Lionhearted and be paid a premium for their archery skills. With combat level equipment, serious archery is definitely a strength event. Draw weight is not the weight of a pencil.

Women are as disadvantaged in golf and tennis as any other major sport.

In golf, I've often wondered if there is any differential when it comes to putting. Otherwise, however, men's greater strength yields greater distance off the tee, and the advantage compounds on every following shot. The distance advantage also changes club selection. On the putting green, men and women might be equal, but not elsewhere.

In tennis, men have a decisive range and power advantage.

[BeauBo]

That article you linked, really details how hard it is on women’s bodies, to keep up with males in Military (combat) levels of physical fitness.

A lot of injuries are inflicted.

It is probably even more taboo to consider how the emotional or psychological reactions to actual combat (killing and witnessing) will differ between the sexes.

[myerson]

I have been asking this question for some time: why don’t female to male trannies demand to compete on men’s sports teams?

[Theoria]

'I talked with a lady whose daughter passed the Army’s grueling Ranger Course, '

That's because they lowered the standards for both the men and women. The weak were weeded out more in the past. The first two female graduates failed multiple times during the course, yet were allowed to continue. There will probably never be any female seals, the upper body requirements are likely too hard for females, if the standards kept. Yet, I know two female navy scuba qualified individuals, the standards were less. They were both studs.

[qaz123]

Wow!!!

[Skywise]

Definitely in terms of power and distance men will beat women in terms of tennis, gold and archery.

But archery and golf are more about hitting a target and so long as a woman can’t drive a ball or arrow within the same range then it’s ultimately a matter of skill.

Same with Tennis - it’s a matter of ball control. Sure a man has some advantages there as hitting back a ball delivered with greater strength is harder but power driving a ball also has disadvantages and disrupts control.

[qaz123]

I remember when that came out. Of course someone like her, who acknowledges the differences and accepts them, would be run out of town for not following the narrative.

What bothers me the most about this, is the opportunities that may be lost to young girls when it comes to being able to compete and potentially get a scholarship to compete at the next level and go to college. My buddy’s daughter is quite the softball player. She’s worked her butt off for years and is about as a determined person as I’ve ever seen. It probably won’t effect her, but it’s sickening to think that someone like her could lose out because some boy can’t compete with the rest of the boys.

But, then again, this is what 80,000,000 votes for, right?

[rlmorel]

One of the problems I have in conveying this information is that I am regarded in some circles as a sexist, misogynist, male chauvinist, you name it.

Nothing could be further from the truth. I am married to a strong, extremely intelligent woman, and I have worked for many to whom I would readily defer to in a tight spot or decision of importance, and have great respect and admiration for them. Mental toughness is not an issue. The issues for me with women in combat (and this includes naval combat vessels) is threefold:

1. Physical Strength
   
   • Physical strength in combat matters.
   • There is no question that there are individual women who could physically outperform many average or below average men, but the military cannot operate on that basis. The military in general deals with the average performance in large numbers, and as the previously posted graph shows, those few women who might be able to qualify cannot overcome the drawbacks of deploying them.
   • Women's bodies break down under the physical stresses more often than men's bodies do, largely due to the differences in muscle mass and bone structure that no amount of exercise can make up for.
   • Even though a woman can exercise her body to the upper tip of that physical prowess attainable for a woman, if she leaves training for even a short time (for example confinement to a hospital for injury, leave, or pregnancy) her fitness level will rapidly decrease and it will take her far longer to regain it than it would for a male in the same situation.

2. Unit Cohesiveness
   
   • This is not mentioned in the article, but it is important: the dynamics between a large group of men, and a large group of intermingled young men and women in a dangerous and lonely environment far from home introduces psychological factors that have no positive effects, only negative and potentially serious ones.

3. Operational Supply Chain and Infrastructure
   
   • The military operates on averages over large numbers, and complicating the supply chain to accommodate both sexes is an unnecessary strain. Birth control pills, feminine hygiene, separate facilities and so on.

I have never been in combat. But I study history and read of the physical demands that combat makes on a person, I have spoken with a number of combat veterans on this subject, and universally their response is: women should not be in combat. Even the fittest of women would have difficulty in real combat and would result in people being killed, missions failing, and battles being lost.

But again, the closing section of the article explains it best:

"...Meanwhile, the argument to maintain the combat exclusion makes itself easily in every aspect. Including women in combat units is bad for combat, bad for women, bad for men, bad for children, and bad for the country. The argument for the combat exclusion is provable all the time, every time. Political correctness has no chance against Nature. Her victories are staring us in the face at all times. The men just keep being able to lift more and to run faster, harder, and longer with more weight on their backs while suffering fewer injuries. They just keep never getting pregnant. The combat units have needs that women cannot meet.

Women have needs that life in a combat unit cannot accommodate without accepting significant disadvantage and much greater expense. Where 99 percent of men can do the heavy-lifting tasks typical of gunners, but 85 percent of women cannot, there is no gap women need to fill. Women are already utilized where they are needed in the combat zone, such as for intelligence gathering, or what I did, frisking women for explosives.

Military women are strong, tough, and dedicated in their own right. Women do not need to be in the combat units to prove they are important or to serve honorably and well, and they do not need to be there to gain career opportunities..."