Posted on 02/12/2021 6:15:17 AM PST by Red Badger
Two small clusters of deaths after COVID-19 vaccination have been reported among nursing homes in Kentucky and Arkansas.
In Kentucky, four seniors died the same day of their vaccination on Dec. 30, 2020. Three of the four who passed away reportedly already had had coronavirus prior to getting vaccinated.
In Arkansas, four seniors died at a long term care facility about a week after their vaccination. All tested positive for COVID-19 after vaccination.
The deaths are reported in a federal database called VAERS, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
Deaths after vaccination don’t necessarily mean the vaccine is to blame. Of those receiving coronavirus vaccines, many are elderly and frail, or already suffering from serious illnesses. That makes it difficult to know whether there’s a connection.
Kentucky Nursing Home Deaths
According to VAERS reports, the Kentucky deaths occurred on Dec. 30 after vaccinations with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. An ill 88-year-old woman who was “14 + days post covid” was given the Pfizer-BioNTech shot while she was “unresponsive in [her] room.” She died within an hour and a half (914961-1). An 88-year-old who was “15 days post covid” got the shot, was monitored for 15 minutes afterward, and passed away within 90 minutes (914994-1). A third report says an 88-year-old woman who was “14 + days post covid” vomited four minutes after receiving her shot, became short of breath, and passed away that night (915562-1). And an 85-year-old woman vaccinated at 5 p.m. was “found unresponsive” less than two hours later and died shortly after (915682-1).
In response to questions about the Kentucky cluster, a spokesman for the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) said its experts noted “no pattern … among the [Kentucky] cases that would indicate a concern for the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine.”
Scientists differ on whether people who have had coronavirus, like the Kentucky patients, should receive the COVID-19 vaccination at all. The CDC insists it’s safe for people who have recovered from COVID-19 to get vaccinated and that there’s no minimum interval recommended between infection and vaccination.
“Vaccination should be offered to persons regardless of history of prior symptomatic or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 [the virus that causes COVID-19] infection,” it states.
But other scientists say vaccinating people who are already considered immune after a natural COVID-19 infection wastes valuable doses of vaccines when there are shortages. And neither Pfizer’s nor Moderna’s studies showed any benefit to vaccinating previously infected patients.
The Kentucky patients were vaccinated shortly after the CDC disseminated false information on this point. The CDC claimed studies showed that vaccines are effective for people who have had COVID-19. The disinformation was given on the agency’s website, in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report and in a webinar instruction to medical professionals.
In the webinar, the CDC’s Dr. Sarah Oliver falsely stated, “Data from both clinical trials suggests that people with prior infection are still likely to benefit from vaccination.”
Under pressure from Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), who first flagged the CDC’s incorrect information in December, the agency recently issued a correction but used wording that still falsely implies studies showed that the vaccines helped people previously infected with COVID-19.
Meantime, preliminary results from a study co-authored by a team of more than two dozen researchers noted that people infected with COVID-19 in the past “experience systemic side effects with a significantly higher frequency” after vaccination than others.
The CDC confirms that it’s monitoring reports that people who’ve already had COVID-19 seem to be suffering significantly more frequent or more severe reactions after vaccination, or “reactogenicity,” than those who didn’t have COVID-19.
“CDC is aware of reports of increased reactogenicity (such as fever, chills, and muscle aches) in persons who have had COVID-19,” said a spokesman.
Arkansas Nursing Home Deaths
Four nursing home deaths in Arkansas occurred after vaccination with the Moderna-manufactured vaccine. All four patients tested positive for COVID-19 after vaccination, according to the VAERS reports. But there’s no indication as to whether they had coronavirus at the time of their vaccination or acquired it after their shot.
A 65-year-old man (921547-1) who received the Moderna vaccine on Jan. 2, 2021, died two days later, with the VAERS report noting that he had COVID-19. Three other Arkansas seniors died about a week after receiving the Moderna vaccine on Dec. 22, 2020. The person reporting the death of an 82-year-old man (917117-1) six days after his shot said he was vaccinated in an attempt to “mitigate his risk” and that “this was unsuccessful and [the] patient died.” The VAERS report notes, “After vaccination, patient tested positive for COVID-19.”
Two elderly women, ages 90 (917790-1) and 78 (917793-1), were vaccinated the same day as the 65-year-old man and also tested positive for COVID-19 about a week after their shots and died. According to the unnamed person who reported the 90-year-old’s death, “the vaccine did not have enough time to prevent COVID 19” and “There is no evidence that the vaccination caused patient’s death. It simply didn’t have time to save her life.” The person who reported the 78-year-old’s death claimed she died “as a result of COVID-19 and her underlying health conditions and not as a result of the vaccine.”
In response to questions about the Arkansas cluster, the CDC said, “Surveillance data to date do not indicate excess deaths among elderly patients receiving COVID-19 vaccinations.” Overall, says the agency, the number of deaths at long term care facilities after COVID-19 vaccinations is no higher than what would be expected to occur naturally.
Frail Patients
Separately, the CDC is monitoring the impact of the vaccines on already-frail patients such as the chronically ill in nursing homes.
In Norway, alarm bells sounded when 23 people died shortly after vaccination. After investigating 13 of the deaths, Norway’s medical agency has concluded side effects that are common with the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, such as fever, nausea, and diarrhea, “may have contributed to fatal outcomes in some of the frail patients.”
“There is a possibility that these common adverse reactions, that are not dangerous in fitter, younger patients and are not unusual with vaccines, may aggravate underlying disease in the elderly,” said Steinar Madsen, medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency.
A World Health Organization (WHO) expert panel disagrees. It says the deaths “are in line with the expected, all-cause mortality rates and causes of death in the sub-population of frail, elderly individuals, and the available information does not confirm a contributory role for the vaccine in the reported fatal events.”
But one unanswered question is whether patients who are both frail and have already had COVID-19 might suffer a double-whammy that puts them at greater risk when vaccinated. First, those with a previous COVID-19 infection might be more likely to suffer adverse events upon vaccination, according to scientific reports. Second, their frailty may make them less able to handle the adverse events, as Norway’s medical agency found with some patients.
In the United States, VAERS reports contain numerous other cases of elderly, frail people who’d had COVID-19, got vaccinated, and died.
A 96-year-old Ohio woman tested positive for COVID-19 in November, got the Pfizer vaccine on Dec. 28, 2020, in a rehab facility after a fall, and died that afternoon (915920-1).
A 94-year-old Michigan man at a senior living facility who had COVID-19 and other illnesses received the Moderna vaccine on Jan. 2, 2021, and died of cardiac arrest two days later (918487-1).
A 91-year-old Michigan woman with Alzheimer’s and other illnesses at a senior living facility who had tested positive for COVID-19 received the Moderna vaccine on Dec. 30, 2020. She died four days later (924186-1).
And an 85-year-old California woman with Alzheimer’s and other disorders at a senior living facility received the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine on Jan. 5, 2021, and was found dead the same day. After her vaccination, an earlier COVID-19 test from Jan. 3 returned positive, though she’d had no symptoms (924456-1).
In other cases, elderly, frail patients tested positive for COVID-19 shortly after vaccination.
A 104-year-old woman in New York received the Pfizer vaccine on Dec. 30, 2020. The next day, a COVID-19 test was done and came back positive. She became ill the following day and died on Jan. 4, 2021 (920832-1).
And a 71-year-old New York man received the Moderna vaccine on Dec. 21, 2020, developed a fever and respiratory distress, and tested positive for COVID-19. He was given Remdesivir. He died after 6 days (922977-1).
A WHO vaccine safety subcommittee reviewed reports of deaths among the frail, elderly after the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The members determined, two weeks ago, there’s no cause for concern. “The benefit-risk balance of [Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine] BNT162b2 remains favorable in the elderly, and does not suggest any revision, at present, to the recommendations around the safety of this vaccine,” said the WHO officials.
Pfizer, Moderna, and CDC Responses
In response to questions for this report, Pfizer issued a statement saying: “We take adverse events that are potentially associated with our COVID-19 vaccine, BNT162b2, very seriously. We closely monitor all such events and collect relevant information to share with global regulatory authorities. Based on ongoing safety reviews performed by Pfizer, BioNTech and health authorities, BNT162b2 retains a positive benefit-risk profile for the prevention of COVID-19 infections.”
Pfizer said that millions of people have been vaccinated and “serious adverse events, including deaths that are unrelated to the vaccine, are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population.”
Pfizer didn’t answer whether it has concluded that any deaths might be linked to vaccination. It also wouldn’t answer whether it has looked at any clusters of deaths, or noted any patterns or areas of concern. And the company wouldn’t say whether it recommends that those recently or currently infected with COVID-19 get vaccinated.
Moderna didn’t answer our questions or request for information and comment.
Currently, the CDC recommends vaccination for people who’ve already had coronavirus.
The agency didn’t directly answer the question of whether it’s safe for people to get vaccinated while they have an active COVID-19 infection. A CDC spokesman said that deferring vaccination is recommended in those instances, but didn’t say whether it was due to a safety issue.
“Vaccination of persons with known current SARS-CoV-2 infection should be deferred until the person has recovered from the acute illness (if the person had symptoms) and criteria have been met for them to discontinue isolation,” says the CDC. “This recommendation applies to persons who develop SARS-CoV-2 infection before receiving any vaccine doses as well as those who develop SARS-CoV-2 infection after the first dose but before receipt of the second dose.”
Sharyl Attkisson is the New York Times bestselling author of “Stonewalled,” a five-time Emmy Award winner, and the host of Sinclair’s national investigative television program “Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson.”
I do a saline nasal rinse once or twice a day.
It’s a big money maker for big pharma
And from 2012...NIH....
“These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
VAERS and many “anecdotal” events leaked by nursing home workers all indicate that getting vaccinated after already having THE REAL THING is both ridiculous and dangerous.
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This is a giant experiment.
Deaths of Elderly Who Recovered From COVID-19, but Died After Vaccine, Raise Questions [KY, AR]
If you’ve had COVID-19, wait until 90 days after your diagnosis to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
I’VE HAD COVID IN THE LAST 90 DAYS. AM I SUPPOSED TO GET THE VACCINE (SHOT) NOW, OR DO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER 90 DAYS?
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Current information says that COVID-19 vaccines (shots) are safe if you have been sick with COVID-19 in the past 90 days. You may delay your shot 90 days, but you do not have to wait 90 days after infection to get your vaccine (shot). You may get a vaccine (shot) as soon as your isolation period is over and your symptoms are gone. You should not get the shot while sick or during the isolation/quarantine period to avoid exposing others.
Visit CDC’s Interim Clinical Considerations for Use of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines Currently Authorized in the United States for more information https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/clinical-considerations.html
Our west coast PPO says 100 days.
I would not get it at all. It seems to make immune systems go haywire for people who already have had the virus..................
No body is forcing you nor cares if you don’t get it.
We have relatives and friends in their mid 70’s and up, who want this vaccine and due to their state $crewups, not getting vaccinated.
Why would anyone in good health and 65 and under want this or any Covid 19 vaccine?
If they force you to get it, which is possible, and you die, who does you spouse sue?
The State or Local Government?
The Federal Government?
The corporation that made the vax?
All of the above?.............
Not my problem so I don’t know the answer.
There is a problem that I’m concerned with.
How about with many of our friends/relatives over 75 and a spouse not in the best of health, neither is getting a vaccine due to all this B$. The care giver, gets the Covid and dies. Then, that results in the death of the really sick spouse because their care give died from Covid.
Who do they and their lawyers sue?
Our local and open ICU beds are now above Gruesome's panic levels %.
Vaccinating older residents will curb COVID-19 deaths, Bay Area health officials say!
By Eli Walsh Bay City News Foundation
Health officers in eight Bay Area counties urged health systems Wednesday to prioritize COVID-19 vaccinations for older residents amid vaccine supply shortages in the region.
Health departments in Marin, Napa, Santa Cruz and Solano counties and their health care partners are prioritizing vaccinating all residents age 75 and older while Contra Costa, San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara counties will do the same with residents age 65 and older.
The intent, according to health officers in the eight counties, is to limit coronavirus-related deaths by targeting the age demographic with the greatest risk of dying.
As of Jan. 28, an average of 83.6 percent of COVID-19 deaths in the eight counties have been residents age 65 and older.
"Three out of four COVID-19 deaths in Marin are among residents age 75 or older," Marin County Public Health Officer Dr. Matt Willis said. "A vaccine offered to a resident above age 75 is 300 times more likely to save a life than a vaccine offered to someone under the age of 50."
Health care workers and nursing home residents will also continue to be vaccinated in accordance with the state's vaccine prioritization guidelines.
The region's current pace of supply, however, could limit counties' ability to get vaccine doses for several weeks to older adults who want them.
The two-dose nature of the vaccines currently on the market, developed by Pfizer and Moderna, also makes it difficult to begin vaccinating new people, according to the counties, because portions of new shipments must be earmarked for second doses.
"We need to be direct and honest with the public that, although we want to vaccinate everyone, right now we just don't have enough vaccine to do so," Santa Clara County health officer and public health director Dr. Sara Cody said. "Given limited supply of vaccine, we must prioritize vaccinating those at greatest risk of death or serious illness."
Vaccine supply has been so limited that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention revised its vaccine guidance Jan. 21 to allow for second vaccine doses to be administered up to six weeks after a first dose, if necessary.
Second doses of the Pfizer vaccine are recommended to be administered three weeks after the first dose while four weeks is recommended for the Moderna vaccine.
"Modest delays in the administration of the second dose, if absolutely necessary, would not be expected to decrease the protection conferred by the second dose," the CDC said in a statement.
Gov. Gavin Newsom said Wednesday that the state will receive some 1,060,000 vaccine doses this week, but the federal government lacks the amount of vaccine needed by a state of California's size.
"We are anxious to vaccinate a much broader segment of the population, and are ready to do so as soon as vaccine supplies allow," Cody said.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UrHIuDpvJWhYMSSkXVrjSW0vE5j4WHDcMtnqjwWZmqQ/edit
Our PPO, the largest in America has given the vaccine to those of us over 75, front line medical workers and some fragile patients.
My wife and I will get our second dose next Sunday. I’m 82 and she will be 81 soon.
They started studies late last spring in one of their state of Washington clinics.
Their data going back to late spring last year apparently showed no real value if patients were healthy and 65 and under re receiving a vaccine.
Jonestown or Freepers who refused to be vaccinated?
VAERS and many “anecdotal” events leaked by nursing home workers all indicate that getting vaccinated after already having THE REAL THING is both ridiculous and dangerous.
Could be very dangerous as those who can read are saying not to get vaccinated if you have had the real crud 90 to 100 days before.
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