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Losses on short positions in U.S. firms top $70 billion - Ortex data
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Posted on 01/28/2021 10:54:41 AM PST by TigerClaws

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To: Yo-Yo

The big boys were losing so they stopped everything for a few hours and then rigged the game.

Sound familiar?


61 posted on 01/28/2021 12:27:03 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

I love this story and keep reading more versions every hour. I wonder if enough smart people understand exactly what happened and how Dangerous it could be if properly controlled by real American Patriots?

If done right, the force and mass of Tens of Millions of Taxpayers with nothing more than a $1000 or two to throw in, could just about blow up ANY Stock or Company at a Moments Notice, just like the Big Boys do.

This is how you beat them at their own game, now direct that to the Companies political enemies like Twitter, Amazon, Facebook,... and you just might have a viable weapon with insurmountable power.


62 posted on 01/28/2021 12:33:22 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: TigerClaws

“Beginning in 1992, (George) Soros and his fund began to take a large short position on the British pound. This means he gradually was borrowing pounds from other investors. After borrowing, he would immediately sell the pounds in the forex market for German currency. Once the pound fell, Soros could buy back the pounds he owed at a far lesser value.” It nearly broke the Bank of England.

In 1997 he did the same to the Thai Baht nearly destroying the Thai economy. See my tagline


63 posted on 01/28/2021 12:33:23 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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To: dfwgator
Your're welcome. I wouldn't be caught anywhere near the remake! I knew in my heart they could never improve on the original.

64 posted on 01/28/2021 12:34:49 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (Guide me, O my great Redeemer, pilgrim through this barren land.)
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To: TigerClaws

Finally, some good news!

Short sellers remind me of vultures.

Vultures serve a purpose by getting rid of carcasses, but they’re still disgusting.


65 posted on 01/28/2021 12:34:57 PM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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zerohedge
@zerohedge
Some were confused why Citadel paid Yellen over $800K for “speeches”

https://mobile.twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1354886376743968771


66 posted on 01/28/2021 12:38:10 PM PST by TigerClaws
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zerohedge
@zerohedge
Some were confused why Citadel paid Yellen over $800K for “speeches”

https://mobile.twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1354886376743968771


67 posted on 01/28/2021 12:38:49 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: ConservativeMind

“As someone aptly stated last night on FR, ‘Naked shorts are illegal.’”

Not quite. What is illegal is failing to deliver on an out-of-the-money short, naked or covered. A trader has three days to transfer (or buy, if not in legal possession) the stock and deliver it on a short trade. Here are the SEC rules: https://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/regsho.htm


68 posted on 01/28/2021 12:42:44 PM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: PAR35

“There is a bit of a difference between selling stock that you don’t own (naked shorts) and selling stock that doesn’t exist (fraud).”

Correct. Naked short selling per se, is not illegal.

https://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/regsho.htm


69 posted on 01/28/2021 12:44:52 PM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: jimfr
when someone sells stock shares that he does not have at say $100 hoping he can buy some other shares at say $60 to give to the person that bought the $100 shares. Thereby making $40. Is this correct?

I'm not an expert either, but I think it's more like this:

It's when someone BORROWS the shares from someone else (like a loan with interest), and then sells those shares to another person.

  1. A owns 5 shares worth $20/share.
  2. B borrows A's 5 shares, and agrees to pay A $1 when returning the shares.
  3. B sells the shares to C for the current market value of $20/share and receives $100.
  4. A few days later the stock drops to $10/share.
  5. B goes to D to buy 5 shares at $10/share (suppose that D bought the shares at $5/share and wants to lock in profits). B pays D $50 from the $100 B received from C.
  6. B gives A back the 5 shares plus $1 interest.
  7. B keeps the $49 gain.

That's short selling.

-PJ

70 posted on 01/28/2021 12:48:08 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: USS Alaska

Robinhood reportedly LIQUIDATED peoples positions in Game stop without their permission.
I saw one screen shot where they sold 4500 shares for someone at the I’m purely coincidental low for the day of 118$ a share, when the top had been 500$ share.


71 posted on 01/28/2021 12:48:12 PM PST by Kozak (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: RedStateRocker

“Screw short sellers. Vile vultures, may they lose everything”

Short-sellers provide a valuable function in markets by taking on intertemporal risks.

https://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/regsho.htm


72 posted on 01/28/2021 12:48:39 PM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: TigerClaws

“What is Clearing?
Clearing is the procedure by which financial trades settle - that is, the correct and timely transfer of funds to the seller and securities to the buyer. Often with clearing, a specialized organization acts as intermediary and assumes the role of tacit buyer and seller in a transaction, to reconcile orders between transacting parties. Clearing is necessary for the matching of all buy and sell orders in the market. It provides smoother and more efficient markets as parties can make transfers to the clearing corporation rather than to each individual party with whom they transact”

Shouldn’t then a transaction be not allowed to start with if it can’t be cleared wnen the time comes to close it?


73 posted on 01/28/2021 12:49:51 PM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: TigerClaws

Good news!!


74 posted on 01/28/2021 12:50:01 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: PGR88

“I will defer to others, but I don’t believe this [naked short selling] is illegal.”

You are correct. Here is what the SEC has to say:

https://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/regsho.htm


75 posted on 01/28/2021 12:50:57 PM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: thescourged1
"I would have gladly thrown a few hundred bucks just to watch a hedge fund lose nearly 3 million.

"Newly-confirmed Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen received around $810,000 in speaking fees from the hedge fund that bailed out one of the primary losers in the recent Gamestop frenzy.

Yellen's financial disclosure shows her making $337,500 for multiple days in Oct. of 2020 from Citadel. She similarly banked $292,500 in October of 2019 and $180,000 in December of that year. The Senate confirmed Yellen on Monday, making her the first female secretary of the department. She previously chaired the Federal Reserve after an appointment by former President Obama.

Both Citadel and Point72 infused almost $3 billion into Melvin Capital, which saw massive losses after betting against the video game retailer Gamestop. The White House said on Wednesday that Yellen was monitoring the situation.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki was asked Thursday during the daily briefing whether Yellen would recuse herself from advising the president on Gamestop. Psaki did not commit one way or another."

BILLION, 3 Bizillion$.

76 posted on 01/28/2021 12:53:11 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: TigerClaws

There’s an old saying that the best way to make a small fortune in stock futures is to start with a large one.


77 posted on 01/28/2021 12:57:44 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: eyeamok

Great half hour video by Glenn Greenwald on this subject—he argues for an alliance of right wing and left wing populism to defeat the oligharchy:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-glenn-greenwald-opines-reddit-revolution-gamestop-and-melvin-capital

This is a _smart_ strategy.

This is a _winning_ strategy.


78 posted on 01/28/2021 1:25:43 PM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it.)
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To: ConservativeMind

The entire system is corrupt from top to bottom. Not just the financial system. The elite are not under the law. They do as they want. This is what Tyranny is. Now what did the founders say about Tyranny?


79 posted on 01/28/2021 1:27:14 PM PST by Revel
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To: TigerClaws

The fix to this is simple. Do not allow naked options trading.

If you want to sell a call/put option - you must either have the asset (stock) in your account to cover or have a covering option to close the account or cash reserve of current market value at market close. This rule would work for either short or long positions and would prevent the worst of the manipulations practiced by many fund managers.


80 posted on 01/28/2021 1:41:06 PM PST by taxcontrol (You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.)
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