Ossof and Warnock jumping on Trump $2000 proposal

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[St. Louis Conservative]

So Trump has Mnuchin negotiate the Covid bill with his blessing, and in full coordination with McConnell and Loeffler.....then at the last minute, sides with Pelosi and hands GA Dems a huge gift by blowing up the bill and undercutting the position of the GA Repubs running in that race (again with Trumps full blessing BEFORE the bill was agreed to).

Now Ossof and Warnock are seizing on Trumps veto threat to attack Loeffler and Perdue. Its a Trump/Ossof/Warnock alliance to spend more money.

Maybe I’m missing the “brilliance” of this strategy.

[St. Louis Conservative]

Who said anything about Mitt or Ben. I voted and donated to Trump twice.

I do want Trump to campaign for them. And trump should too.

Dems win GA, you may NATIONWIDE mail in voting. Also, a Dem senate majority will launch investigation after investigation of Trump.

[DoodleDawg]

He asked for 1200 ones in September

Then how did it get down to $600 in the final bill? Didn't Trump tell McConnell what he wanted?

[Lod881019]

Nope that’s the treasury Secretary number Trump wanted 2000 all along and Mnuchin was the guy who negotiated this deal

[Lod881019]

I doubt it will happen and ironically I dont see a single post where you aren’t concerned about Trump maybe Ann Coulter can campaign for them and join Mitt and Ben

[St. Louis Conservative]

You doubt what will happen?

[St. Louis Conservative]

Mnuchin works for Trump and he doesn’t negotiate without authority from Trump.

[NonValueAdded]

Pelosi just announced the House will take up the $2000 as a stand-alone bill. Trump kills the pork-laden $600 plan and gets a stand-alone bill for the amount he championed. How is this a win for the RATs???

[DoodleDawg]

Nope that’s the treasury Secretary number Trump wanted 2000 all along and Mnuchin was the guy who negotiated this deal

Then why didn't Mnuchin follow Trumps instructions?

[St. Louis Conservative]

Link? I doubt that. Pelosi will do NOTHING in good faith. She held up the bill prior to the election to hit Trump.

[Alberta's Child]

That's a good post but you're missing the whole point of this "myth of abundance" model that is the foundation of our political/economic system right now.

Your post only makes sense in an environment where responsible governance is a secondary consideration, and seen only in the context of responsible citizenship as the single most important driving force in our governing decisions.

That hasn't been the case in decades -- if not 100 years or more. Responsible citizenship has been replaced with temporal affluence driven by economic activity as the most important influence in our political decisions.

The idiotic progressive positions you cite from people like Kamala Harris make a lot more sense when you see them in that context. They don't call for open borders and "free healthcare" because these make any sense from any objective legal or moral standpoint, but because this is what drives our economy today.

To put it simply ...

In an economy driven by excessive consumption, there is an underlying endless need for more CONSUMERS. And in a society with the highest standard of living in the history of mankind, it's impossible for us to be competitively priced with other nations when it comes to producing most consumer products. So we import these people in order to find new "customers" for the things we CAN "produce" here in the U.S.

Progressives -- and pragmatic "conservatives" -- see these immigrants as nothing more than livestock that are the consumers of the things we make, sell, and force on people. Ford and Tesla want to sell cars to them, Apple wants to sell iPhones to them, and banks want to sign them up for mortgages on overpriced homes.

Teachers and school administrators want them to fill classrooms and school buildings. They dumber they are, the better. Nothing makes these misfits happier than a retarded immigrant from a Third World country who needs four teachers and school staff members just to get through a typical day.

Health care professionals and hospital administrators want to treat them for any medical problems they have -- and will even go to great lengths to fabricate maladies like "attention deficit disorder" and "transgenderism" in order to justify drug prescriptions and unnecessary treatments for people who have no medical issues at all.

This is the natural end of a consumer-driven economy. When you run out of consumers, you must import more of them and/or force the ones you have to buy sh!t they don't need.

[newzjunkey]

Trump’s been wanting stimulus checks well over $600 for months.

[NonValueAdded]

Pelosi says House to vote on bigger stimulus payments after GOP blocks increase

[nathanbedford]

Please let this serve as reply to your excellent posts #40 and #50

Although you have not explicitly said so, I think we both agree that the profligacy of our federal, state and even personal spending is unsustainable and is lurching us at an accelerating pace with Biden in command toward the cliff.

When you put the blame on the Republican Party, I say you were dead on but I would also not excuse Trump although he at least thought he could rev up the economy enough to compensate. My point is not to blame Trump or the party, although the latter is certainly blameworthy, but to try to identify the forces that have got us here.

If you want another metaphor, we are circling the financial drain but there is another element to the situation: our entire epistemology has been perverted by the left. In other words, not only do we spend mindlessly but we also think mindlessly. We have lost the battle for adulthood and the country is descending into childishness.

You have kindly indulged long posts for me during this round so I impose one more whose virtue is it's not nearly so long but it does help explain why we are in this self-imposed firing squad in Georgia on both of the wrong sides of a financial and electoral issue:

They do this because they have no feelings of guilt about stealing the votes of their neighbors.

I fully agree and I would presume to recast your remarks to be that the left has stolen the culture. We are now in a culture in which the ends justify the means, 2+2 equals anything but 4, truth and lies are interchangeable and right and wrong, and therefore guilt, is a matter of perception.

How did we come to this place?

It's quite simple really, the left has co-opted our epistemology. The Frankfurt School is a good place to begin then follow its evil spawn of critical theory, race intersectionality and postmodernism as it leaches out into the whole culture.

Currently, James Lindsay has been advancing the most thorough and rigorous research on this phenomenon which has escaped from our universities as from a Wuhan lab and infected our entire school system, our corporations, our media our churches, all levels of our government's and our law courts.

Once we lost this battle we lost, at least temporarily, the war.

There is no fundamental basis apart from intersectionality to gain a sense of "guilt about stealing the votes of their neighbors." Hence, stealing white votes on behalf of a candidate favored by Blacks is not stealing but redressing "intersectional" wrongs. This is why we are losing the war.

PS. I would add this is why, along with a misplaced sense of abundance built as you say on runaway consumerism, that we can't stop spending.

[Lod881019]

Nope he negotiated it on his own

[Lod881019]

They’ll never investigate Trump after he leaves you know it and I know it especially with redistributing of the house coming next year

[DoodleDawg]

Nope he negotiated it on his own

Mnuchin didn't check with Trump at all? I would think that's grounds for requesting Mnuchin's resignation considering the position he's put Trump in.

[Lod881019]

According to the Washington Post this was all Mnuchin

[DoodleDawg]

According to the Washington Post this was all Mnuchin

Then fire him. Now. Any cabinet secretary who refuses to follow the President's directions needs to be removed immediately.

[St. Louis Conservative]

Super naive. House Dems will investigate for at least 2 years, until and if they lose the majority. A Dem senate with the help of the GA races will do the same.

[montanajoe]

I always enjoy your perceptive and well though out posts.

“not only do we spend mindlessly but we also think mindlessly” is a great line and very true...kudo’s