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'A Huge Attack.' Critics Decry Trump Order That Makes Firing Federal Workers Easier
NPR ^ | October 31, 2020 | Brian Naylor

Posted on 10/31/2020 5:22:57 AM PDT by be-baw

The Trump administration has issued a new executive order that would fundamentally restructure the federal work force, making it easier for the government to fire thousands of federal workers, while also allowing political and other considerations to affect hiring.

The executive order, issued last week, would affect the professional employees who are in policy-making positions at the very top of the civil service — people like lawyers and scientists who are are not political appointees, but serve from administration to administration regardless of which party controls the White House.

The president's order changes that, creating a new category for them — "Schedule F" — and taking away their civil service protections. In a statement that accompanied the order, the White House took aim at those protections, saying they make it too difficult for agency heads to remove "poor performers." Without the protections, the employees can be more easily replaced.

Rachel Greszler, a research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, which supports the order, says it's "a common sense change" to address a lack of accountability in the federal government.

"I've talked to managers in the past who say that they want to do the right thing and they want to hold workers accountable," says Greszler. "They want to get rid of the bad apples who are weighing others down and preventing the agency from carrying out its mission. But ultimately, the managers said they often gave up because they had to spend so much time and so much effort that ... it just wasn't worth it. They determined it was better to just keep these people on the payrolls and shift their job responsibilities to others. And that's a big problem."

But public employee unions say it's Trump's order that's the problem. They've said it could have a chilling effect on the more than 2 million people who make up the federal workforce — most of whom are not political appointees.

"It's a huge attack on the apolitical civil service" says Jacqueline Simon, the policy director at the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents federal workers. She says the order could mean these top positions would no longer be filled by people who have been hired through a competitive process.

"If it's implemented broadly, it could create absolute chaos in the agencies. It could be an absolute fiasco," says Simon. "Everyone's seen what happens if this administration tries to politicize scientific work. We've seen it in CDC and we've seen it in the weather service. We've seen it in EPA, we've seen it all across the agencies. Imagine every single agency undermined by political hacks."

President Trump has railed against federal workers since taking office, baselessly charging there is a deep state within the bureaucracy working to thwart his policies.

Paul Light, a professor of public service at NYU, says most recent presidents have tried to reform the federal workforce, but Trump has taken it to a new level.

"We started with a hiring freeze," he says. "We segued into a shutdown. I think the net effect is really on undermining commitment within the federal workforce and just giving feds a good Halloween scare that is likely to be overturned, but they won't forget."

Light says the net result of the order is to make a career in the federal government less appealing, at a time when many government employees are nearing retirement age.

The executive order has already led to one departure: It prompted the resignation of Ron Sanders, the chairman of the Federal Salary Council.

Sanders, a life-long Republican, says he believes the U.S. civil service is the best in the world. He warns the order could strip the government of sorely needed expertise.

"It's absolutely critical because of the complexity of that world — the laws, the rules, the regulations, the scientific theories, all of the things that go into public policy. Somebody has to understand that. You can't look at the Cliffs Notes and get it. You need people with deep technical expertise who are there regardless of party who provide neutral competence to whoever is in power."

The executive order calls on federal agencies to make a list of positions that would be affected by the new classification by January 19th, the day before Inauguration Day.

What happens next depends on who is sworn in on January 20th. It's likely that Democrat Joe Biden would overturn the order if elected. Democrats in Congress say they'll work to nullify the order, and the National Treasury Employees Union has filed a lawsuit to overturn it in court.


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To: be-baw

Why, pray tell NPR, should incompetent Federal workers not be subject to losing their jobs???

Fed workers and those in Education have been protected for waaaaay too long.This is long overdue.


41 posted on 10/31/2020 6:41:21 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell.)
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To: be-baw

This is LONG overdue. Lots of Swamp Creatures need to be pushed out.


42 posted on 10/31/2020 6:47:51 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: be-baw

In addition to being able to remove them, the order did away with the linear succession of federal employees. As it was, if you wanted to get rid of bad actors at the top of the department, you had to go through several layers of firing, which took time.


43 posted on 10/31/2020 6:49:23 AM PDT by Savage Rider
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To: Brian Griffin

the laws, the rules, the regulations, the scientific theories, all of the things that go into public policy. Somebody has to understand that.

Do they mean, like, the government mandated gas cans?


44 posted on 10/31/2020 6:50:26 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Communists Need To Be Eliminated)
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To: be-baw

Makes Firing Federal Workers Easier

It’s called draining the swamp made easier and faster.


45 posted on 10/31/2020 7:02:21 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: be-baw

The stage leaves for Deadwood in the morning.
Be on it!


46 posted on 10/31/2020 7:06:16 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (That`s 464 people per square foot! Is this corrrect?? It's NYC.)
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To: jagusafr

Institutional memory isn’t all that. We finally got rid of a nonperformer who should have been gone years ago. Two offices in my larger group had some underperformers retire. In all cases they all thought they were invaluable due to institutional knowledge. None of them have been missed. In the ten months our great mind has been gone, I have needed one minor piece of “institutional knowledge” and someone else had the information.


47 posted on 10/31/2020 7:08:12 AM PDT by PrincessB
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To: be-baw

So, making the firing of government slackers the same as for civilian slackers is a “huge attack”.

Speaks volumes.

Many Swamp Creatures are small leeches.


48 posted on 10/31/2020 7:17:54 AM PDT by polymuser (A socialist is a communist without the power to take everything from their citizens...yet.p)
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To: be-baw

Dead Weight of Porn Watchers


49 posted on 10/31/2020 7:21:04 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: shelterguy

Same where I work. The agency went into full LGBTQ overdrive and the LGBTQ people started putting up flags and posters and all other sort of rot. They want someone to complain so they can throw the whole “unsafe” and “threatened” workspace complaints at them.

And just try to fire an LGBTQ or feminist!


50 posted on 10/31/2020 7:25:51 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: joe fonebone

“the laws, the rules, the regulations, the scientific theories, all of the things that go into public policy. Somebody has to understand that.”

Only a problem because of the all indecipherable legalese lawyers have created over decades. (To require hiring more lawyers to decipher.)

Who here understands their EULAs for their app’s?


51 posted on 10/31/2020 7:54:40 AM PDT by polymuser (A socialist is a communist without the power to take everything from their citizens...yet.p)
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To: LeonardFMason

I pray Trump wins.

Got that right, but more at stake than that. All the things that put this cou try on the right path have been due to his E.O.’s. These are not real laws. If that asshole Biden gets in, stroke of the pen and its all gone in 1 Biden E.O.


52 posted on 10/31/2020 8:35:25 AM PDT by The MAGA-Deplorian (It is the Trump way! It is the only way!)
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To: be-baw

Finally! Shit can actually be shoveled away now!! Excellent!


53 posted on 10/31/2020 9:00:16 AM PDT by Prole
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To: be-baw

The problem is that they think they should be determining policies, not implementing the President’s policies.


54 posted on 10/31/2020 9:06:27 AM PDT by WASCWatch
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To: Prole

You had to have 3 letters of reprimand to even be considered for separation. If you were convicted of child molestation you might have received one letter. If you stole from the government you might have been given another. I do not remembers one person in all my years of service to have been fired. You had to be a brain dead meth head repeat felony offender to be even ‘considered’ for firing. Minorities and women, forget it. Protected for life!


55 posted on 10/31/2020 9:08:53 AM PDT by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: Cboldt
So it doesn't make a difference who controls the WH. These unelected schmucks ARE the government. They control. They are unaccountable. They are dangerous, they are by and large bad people, in the job for power, control, and money.

The idea is to do as little work as possible (or nothing) and still get a six figure income, a Cadillac health plan and a golden parachute retirement... and never have to worry about getting fired.

I had the displeasure of working as a contractor for one of the more respected .gov agencies. They've become like new arrogant royal class that's taking over our government and northern Virginia like a fkn cancer.

They need to be stopped.

56 posted on 10/31/2020 9:50:28 AM PDT by AAABEST (NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: be-baw
The president's order changes that, creating a new category for them — "Schedule F" — and taking away their civil service protections.

Looks like a good move to me. I think that the "deep state" problem started with the Clintons.

Pretending that government workers are not apolitical makes no sense given the issues with several government agencies under Obama, and the recent Russia did it hoax.

Schedule F government employees will know their category, and will probably have opportunities to move to another position if they please.

57 posted on 10/31/2020 10:40:20 AM PDT by olezip
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To: ground_fog

After what I witnessed I firmly believe the government is only 25% inefficie.

Which means they could do twice the work with only half the people.

Welfare is by its own numbers only 30% efficient. So for every 100,000 spent on welfare only 30,000 makes it to a family.

Or to put it another way there is hwin full time government employee making 70K with salary and benefits for each family on welfare.


58 posted on 10/31/2020 10:55:25 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: be-baw
DC is lucky I am not POTUS. I would shut the damn corrupt unaccountable city-state completely down. My guess, 80% of the civil servants are not needed. Fire them all as well as the remaining Obama and Bush political appointees on Wednesday.

As for the Deep State Generals and Admirals, you are fired too!

59 posted on 10/31/2020 10:58:48 AM PDT by Chgogal (ALL lives matter. If you disagree with me, YOU are the racist.)
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To: shelterguy

PURGE PURGE PURGE get rid of the scum obama and clinton rats


60 posted on 10/31/2020 1:00:29 PM PDT by ronnie raygun ( Massive mistakes are made by arrogant fools; massive evils are committed by evil people.")
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