Posted on 10/11/2020 10:40:47 AM PDT by Fido969
THE right-wing protester allegedly killed by a security guard during clashes with Antifa was shot dead in the head in front of his son.
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If you are in a dangerous situation that you can walk away from, then walk away from that dangerous situation as soon as you can.
The deceased wasn't in a dangerous situation when he pulled out the can of pepper spray; he was in an argument. And he was in an argument that he stepped away from and then came back to with the can of pepper spray in his hand.
Approaching someone with a can of pepper spray is a provocation, something anybody with an IQ over room temperature understands. (Did he deserve to be senselessly killed for it? Of course not.)
Virginia Commonwealth University - Pepper Spray
DO carry pepper spray on your person
Pepper spray is effective, but only if you have it with you! Whether you are walking alone at night, jogging around the neighborhood, or going to and from your car in a parking lot, you always want to have your pepper spray in your hand and ready to use. As always, it’s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
I hope this has clarified what i mean when I say that if you are in a situation that could become dangerous, you need to have your pepper spray in your hand.
Realizing we don't have a video of the entire event, I believe your description is wrong. The man with the pepper spray walked away from the altercation, but right into an armed man looking to kill someone, who tried to grab his pepper spray.
I posted the video on Post 193; I'll post it again for your convenience: www.youtube.com
The confrontation between the deceased and Black Shirt starts at about 1:30. White Hat steps between the two in an attempt to keep them apart and then the deceased pulls out his pepper spray, appearing on screen again at 2:24.
He didn't need the pepper spray. This had been an exchange of words between Black Shirt and the deceased, with the deceased tossing around his weight a little as well. The two were separated by White Hat when the deceased took out the can of pepper spray.
If either of these two men thought they were in a situation that could become dangerous, he could have simply walked away. Neither one did.
Everyone is talking about the need for a defensive can of pepper spray and nobody but Captain Obvious brings up the most obvious question: If the guy felt the danger was sufficient to use a can of pepper spray, why wasn't it sufficient enough for him to just walk away? He wasn't defending property, life, or limb; he was on a public sidewalk with a crowd.
No, I think it's pretty clear that the pepper spray was taken out as an offensive weapon and the poor guy paid the ultimate price for it.
but the dead guy did walk away. thats when he was accosted by the killer, who attempted to grab the deceased mans gun from his holster, and when the dead guy backed away from him, the killer shot him.
the first altercation was black shirt walking up to and violently addressing the deceased. we have know way of knowing if black shirt guy is armed or not.
and in Colorado, like virginia, pepper spray is not considered a weapon, so it CANNOT an offensive weapon.
you need it in your hand for it to be an effective defence, as noted in the security bulletin i linked to.
beingvshot for peper sprayvis as bad as shooting someone using a rape whistle. They are both considered defensive tools.
IF the man had sprayed someone without any reaso, THAT would be when a crime was commited. pulling it out is not legally a provocation, and you have no right to attack, or attempt to take the spray, from a person holding pepper spray .
the video you posted does not show the initial aktercation, and does not show the altercation with the gunman.
it shows blackvshirt harassing dead guy. stuff on ground separatesxthem, but black shirt guy steps over and around, keeps grabbing toward dead guy’s gun, and verbally harassing and taunting. he is the agressor. dead guy finslly chest bumps him, and white hat sepsrates them.
But then , black shirt physically threatens whit hat with violence. THAT is when dead guy pulled the pepper spray, to protect white hat from being punched or worse by black shirt.
What time in the video does this take place?
Because if Lee Keltner (the deceased) believed that Black Shirt was reaching for his gun and Lee Keltner then stood close enough to him to push him backwards with his belly, then Lee Keltner had a death wish. (This is why I don't believe that Keltner shared your interpretation of the events; he doesn't come across as being stupid enough to put his pistol back within arm's reach of Black Shirt.)
I don't see what you're referring to; I saw Black Shirt (unsuccessfully) push Keltner but I don't see any evidence that Black Shirt even knew Keltner was carrying.
But then , black shirt physically threatens whit hat with violence. THAT is when dead guy pulled the pepper spray, to protect white hat from being punched or worse by black shirt.
Your interpretation of events is very generous to Keltner, but I think Keltner realized that White Hat was old enough to take care of himself. (He could have walked away as well.)
Can you provide a video that demonstrates this?
On another note, just listen to the video I posted; the pepper spray is clearly being discharged a moment before the gun goes off. (If Keltner discharged the pepper spray in response to the gun being drawn, then I simply can't help the man; you don't bring pepper spray to a gunfight.)
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