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- I have read a lot of material from various sources before I was convinced it was an engineered virus, long before I or anyone in the US even heard of her. That she also thinks it is an engineered virus has no bearing on what I think of anything else she has espoused.

- Ideally you do need to be physically in Wuhan to collect samples and do any serious investigation of the various sites, that’s why researchers want to go there. When that is not possible, they settle for studying the outbreak and the virus from a distance.

- The evidence required is not to satisfy me or any individual, it has to meet a certain level of confidence in the accepted scientific research practices. No reputable source has ever asserted the virus came from a lab because the bar is indeed very high; the most they would say is it is highly likely. That is proper because one cannot jump to conclusions and make sensational claims when the evidence is lacking or inadequate.

- If we never get the definitive evidence required, so be it. What we already know so far is enough to hold the CCP accountable for spreading the pandemic, if not for creating the virus.

- I have no plan to read her paper, just not interested. If she had evidence linking the virus to a specific lab, it is safe to say the information must have already been covered in the copious material already published on the subject, when all projects undertaken by all the labs under suspicion going back decades were carefully examined for clues, though it is possible she might have packaged things differently in her paper.

- To really know the truth of the genesis of this virus, one has to go way back beyond the outbreak in December 2019. The virus had to be created and ready to deploy well before then, which explains how the CCP already had a vaccine ready for testing I believe back in March 2020 (need to confirm). If she only got involved since last December, she was already very late to the party and definitely not in the loop.

- “she was told to “maintain silence or else she would be made to disappear””. Sorry I don’t believe it for a nanosecond, not to mention it was not in the initial version I read or heard from her (can’t remember). I doubt even Dr. Li WL was being treated to that kind of speech when he was reprimanded by the CCP goons. She was either lying outright or blatantly embellishing there, but it only serves to reinforce my impression of her of not being very honest, and makes everything else she says suspect.

- We will never know the true motivation why people do what they do, so all the talk about moral choices are of little use. And she could always have exposed the truth anonymously and safely if she wanted to, especially since she was in HK, with easy access to many information channels. So let me now present a totally different picture here largely based on my observations, though not saying any of it is true:

Obtaining legal status to live in the US is still the aspiration of many from China, especially the highly educated and well-off. It appears to me she is very intelligent, quickly saw the opportunity and jumped - apply for asylum on the flimsy excuse of being fearful for her life. Besides, no one knows anything about her relationship with her husband, and boy, what a bonus if she had been thinking about going her own way; and her goal is so important she couldn’t let concerns for the old folks to delay it or get in the way.

You are welcomed to disagree with any of the above, which is all I have to say about the Doctor.

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Left out a small point:

Hong Kong was never closed to the mainlanders and quarantine measures were lax even during the height of the epidemic. If her family didn’t want to leave China even knowing the risk of staying, then they had made their decision and shouldn’t complain too much when the peril of staying materialized.

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RE: I have read a lot of material from various sources before I was convinced it was an engineered virus, long before I or anyone in the US even heard of her. That she also thinks it is an engineered virus has no bearing on what I think of anything else she has espoused.

But it has. The fact that her conclusions are IN HARMONY with what you have read shows that she is not a kook, but has carefully looked at the evidence and came up with her conclusion.

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RE: - Ideally you do need to be physically in Wuhan to collect samples and do any serious investigation of the various sites, that’s why researchers want to go there. When that is not possible, they settle for studying the outbreak and the virus from a distance.

And that's EXACTLY what Dr. Yan did. She said she has a network of connections with those in Wuhan to gather data to come up with her conclusion BECAUSE she was assigned to study the origins and possible spread of the virus.

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I have no plan to read her paper, just not interested. If she had evidence linking the virus to a specific lab, it is safe to say the information must have already been covered in the copious material already published on the subject,

Then I suggest you withhold your conclusions about her credibility. She might have come out with her conclusions INDEPENDENTLY and if you look at her paper, it is copiously REFERENCED to many other papers published in the past. She does not look to me like someone who would just make accusations without presenting any evidence. The fact that she OPENLY published a paper to be critiqued shows that she isn't afraid for her findings to be critiqued.

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“she was told to “maintain silence or else she would be made to disappear””. Sorry I don’t believe it for a nanosecond, not to mention it was not in the initial version I read or heard from her (can’t remember).

Well, that you don't believe her has no bearing of whether she is telling the truth or not. Unless you can show that she has an ulterior motive for doing what she did ( e.g. getting rich or famous, in which case, you might have a point), I find it hard to conclude that someone would sacrifice a good position in Hong Kong, in a very prestigious Asian research University with connections even to WHO in order to LIE. To conclude that she lied, forces me to also conclude that she is a glutton for punishment.

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Obtaining legal status to live in the US is still the aspiration of many from China, especially the highly educated and well-off.

Why? Why would someone, with a PhD, a very highly educated woman working in a prestigious Asian University with a very well paid position in Hong Kong risk it all to come to the USA and stay in hiding ?

The benefits vs. the cost makes no sense.

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. And she could always have exposed the truth anonymously and safely if she wanted to, especially since she was in HK, with easy access to many information channels.

What good would anonymously exposing it do? It could easily be dismissed as some kook spreading rumors on the chat rooms and the internet. Now, if someone who *IS* a researcher, a virologist, who has worked with WHO, who has contacts with the researchers in Wuhan came out with her testimony, that makes a difference.

I know that you are probably a cynic and do not believe that people anywhere in the world value doing what is morally right over comfort and safety, but that does not change the fact that evidence TAKEN IN TOTAL, does not seem to support someone who would perpetrate a scam.

Do you want me to come to your side of the aisle? Show me the advantages she gained from doing what she did. Show me how she will get rich because of this. Show me what prestigious and lucrative job in any American research institute would hire her and anger China. Is she doing this because she has a secret lover in the USA and wants to escape her husband to be with him?

Now contrast that with the life she is living now --- IN HIDING, IN DANGER, HER MOTHER IN JAIL, HER REPUTATION SMEARED ( she already expected this ) in her own country. Chicom agents probably hunting her to kill her.

There is no advantageous motive that I can see.