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To: KarlInOhio

On the TV show Forensic Files....
The cops wiped a chemical solution on the area were the gun serial number was filed away....

Anyhow, they were able to retrieve the serial number....

That’s all I know about this.


27 posted on 10/02/2020 8:52:43 AM PDT by redshawk ( I want my red balloon. ( https://youtu.be/V12H2mteniE))
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To: redshawk

That’s the serial number, which is normally stamped or rolled on displacing the steel and also increasing the density of it. If it’s cut in like most AR builds are these days it can’t be lifted out.

They are referring here to micro stamping the shell casing when its fired, either by the firing pin or in the chamber back next to it, so the bullet seats itself when fired and self stamps. Either way it is easy enough to remove, or even on the chamber wall as the shell casing slams against it during ignition causing it to expand in the chamber.

So gee, using a catch sock to collect your used brass, and dropping an empty you found on the street or at a target range, would give them headaches but who’s got the 3 seconds it takes to think about the multiple work arounds of this for even a stupid criminal.


41 posted on 10/02/2020 10:33:17 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: redshawk; KarlInOhio
The cops wiped a chemical solution on the area were the gun serial number was filed away....

Anyhow, they were able to retrieve the serial number....

No, you are misunderstanding. The filing on the gun being proposed is the device that stamps the soft brass cartridge with a unique identifier to show which unique firearm expended this cartridge when it was fired.

If the part of the firearm that is capable of stamping that unique identifier has been obliterated by removing the stamping die, then there is literally nothing ever stamped into the cartridge to be recovered by any means, chemical or otherwise.

This bill modifies the existing law from currently requiring that the firearm stamp TWO unique identifiers on the expended cartridge to just ONE identifier in 2022, based on the theory it supposedly will make it less complicated for gun manufacturers to introduce firearms that meet the state’s firearms’ specification, all so the State of California can proceed to test and certify more guns that meet their requirements, and thus remove more “obsolete” non-stamping guns from the list at the rate of three older guns for each new approved gun. At that rate, through the law of diminishing returns, using this negative feedback system, eventually the state would get to just ONE approved firearm that would be legal to sell in California.

All based on a specious theory that crimes can be solved by finding expended brass on the floor of a crime scene that would lead authorities to the buyer of the gun used in the crime, and therefore the perpetrator, ignoring that most such crime used guns are stolen. Expended brass is seldom if ever been used to solve a crime. A criminal could also use a revolver that does not expend brass, retaining it in the cylinder, or are these brilliant minds in California’s legislator going to pass legislation requiring criminals to deposit expended revolver brass in a convenient drop box, placed by the state for expended brass recycling at all crime scenes? Why not have a convenient fingerprint pad by the exit door and require all perpetrators leave an imprint of both hands as they exit? Oh, and please, spit into this tissue paper and deposit it into the appropriate sanitary receptical on your way out. . . Don’t forget to snarl for our camera, too.

No one has thought about the 5th amendment, not to mention 1st amendment implications of forcing shooters to PRINT something against their will. This is, after all, enforced speech, to imPRINT, something on these cartridges every time the gun is fired. YOU WILL SAY THIS when you pull the trigger, using this PRING PRESS, or Type writer on this cartridge. You MUST sign your imprint here. You have no choice in the matter if you want to exercise your 2nd amendment rights. The unconstitutionality of this is violating many constitutional rights.

46 posted on 10/02/2020 11:03:14 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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