Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

GOP Has Forced the Democrats Onto New Course
The New York Sun ^ | 29 August 2020 | Conrad Black

Posted on 08/29/2020 11:46:28 PM PDT by lowbuck

The Republicans have now forced the Democrats to change course and tactics, shed their narcissistic complacency, and recognize that they are in the fight of their lives.

snip. . .

Without the election of Lincoln in 1860 the country would have broken up, and without the reelection of Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1940, Britain and Canada would have had to make peace with Germany and leave Hitler in control of most of Europe.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; election
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-67 next last
To: Texas Eagle
Roosevelt waited until we lost some 3,000 lives in Hawaii before he got off the pot.

You have it exactly backwards.

Most Americans wanted nothing to do with that "European and Asian war".

Winston Churchill's secret service propaganda wing worked overtime to try to persuade Americans they should be involved to save England.

In the case of Pearl Harbor, the English withheld critical intelligence that could have prevented the attacks.

The English knew that a "Pearl Harbor" was the only way Americans could be convinced to enter the war.

I don't blame the English for doing what they did--they were in a deep hole and needed help.

But--we should not deceive ourselves about who did what.
41 posted on 08/30/2020 5:33:28 AM PDT by cgbg (Masters don't want slaves talking about masters and slaves.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: CIB-173RDABN
After the Great War the majority of Americans were not inclined to get in to another war. Also there were large segments of the population that were willing to enter the war on the German’s side.

Read a little deeper. While there were portions of the American people who were pro-germany in the 1930 they were at best the second largest of the anti-war groups and probably not much larger than the third largest contingent, the communists. The Communists went from anti-war to pro war with Germany overnight after Germany invaded the Soviet Union. The largest of the Anti-war groups by a large margin was the America First contingent, these were the groups that only supported the war after Pearl Harbor happened.

Roosevelt did not have the support of the American people or Congress to get involved. He had problems with just sending supplies to Britain.

I suggest looking at the positions of Wendell Wilkie and the Republican Party during the election campaign of 1940. Republicans were actually in support of the aid to GB in that election campaign. The Republicans at this time actually supported the idea of resettling the hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees that Germany was creating in the US. Thus while it is quite possible that a Republican victory in 1940 would have changed a lot in the course of the war, the US would still have fought. (I can just imagine recruiter trying to figure out how to say thanks but no thanks to Jewish refugee who shows up asking to enlist in his highly decorated uniform from the Austro-Hungarian army.)

42 posted on 08/30/2020 5:35:20 AM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Ancesthntr

As a result of the New York Times photo of the Buddhist Monk Duc setting himself on fire in Saigon Square, June 11, 1963, JFK changed his policy and issued an order to pull many troops from Vietnam. After Diem and his brother were assassinated on November 2, 1963, JFK called in McNamara and expressed his anger at our policy in Vietnam.

Twenty days later, before JFK could do anything, he was assassinated and JFK’s orders were hidden. Johnson reversed course and actually faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident with the CIA to get congress to approve escalation in Vietnam, so Johnson could beat Goldwater in the 1964 election.


43 posted on 08/30/2020 5:39:05 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: DownInFlames

It was Johnson’s first full term as President but he served 14 months as president to finish Kennedy’s term after his assassination prior to his election as president.


44 posted on 08/30/2020 5:41:03 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
In 1941 the US produced about 60% of the worlds oil. I know that is hard to believe but its true.

The oil embargo against Japan was justified due to their aggression.

Germany and Italy were under no obligation to declare war on the US but they foolishly took the bait. The minute the US entered the war their fate was sealed.

If Japan was smart they would have only attacked British and French interests in Asia and not the US. But then they weren’t very smart.

45 posted on 08/30/2020 5:46:00 AM PDT by desertfreedom765
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Paddy Irish
There has to be ballot deadlines and such? Anybody know? Thanks!

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates

46 posted on 08/30/2020 5:52:39 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: lowbuck

I think the Democrats have always known that. I believe their strategy is to lay low as long as possible and then to do a blitz with Biden in October. The shorter the blitz is the less chance of a major mistake. In the meantime they count on Trump saying things that annoy people, the Senate to refuse to pass any legislation from the House, and for Covid and unemployment to get worse.


47 posted on 08/30/2020 5:56:15 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TMN78247

Please remember. it is fashionable, stylish even, to bash President Bush on Free Republic


48 posted on 08/30/2020 6:00:41 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies.....all of them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Leaning Right

“I just wish George W. Bush had that same resolve with respect to radical Islam.”

If Bush pursued radical islam to the point of extinction, then we would not have our current endless wars that the swamp’s military industrial complex loves so much.


49 posted on 08/30/2020 6:13:51 AM PDT by redfreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Scott from the Left Coast

Yes good article. It’s time for complete Party Reform for democrats, but I see no prominent people in politics or media making that case. Instead, they are lashing out at Trump in a hyper-personal way while ignoring their own brand. Add in cheering on street riots and crime. Idiocracy.


50 posted on 08/30/2020 6:17:27 AM PDT by moodyskeptic (MAGA convert)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Ancesthntr

Bookmarked for this post. Fascinating. Thanks


51 posted on 08/30/2020 6:26:22 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler ("NUTS!!!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Ancesthntr

The gas gave the Brits the ability to get about 100 extra HP in their fighters,”””

IIRC 100hp was the advantage the Mig 15 had over our fighters in Korea.


52 posted on 08/30/2020 6:27:53 AM PDT by TalBlack
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: TMN78247

“Even though I am NO particular fan of GWB, WHO exactly should we have defeated to end the scourge of radical Islam terrorism forever??“

Everyone asks the wrong question.

Carthago delenda est.


53 posted on 08/30/2020 6:39:50 AM PDT by antidisestablishment
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Texas Eagle

“Oh, please. Roosevelt waited until we lost some 3,000 lives in Hawaii before he got off the pot.”

Jeeze, read up a bit on the mood of the country just before WW2. FDR was a racist asshole, but he knew that hiding our heads in the sand meant CERTAIN DEFEAT, whereas the America First Republicans were either clueless, or controlled by Hitler.


54 posted on 08/30/2020 6:53:45 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Olog-hai
Japanese no longer see the Emperor as a Shinto God and never will again. It was Nationalism not Shinto that lead to Japans war like tendencies. It was Meiji's Greater Co-Prosperity Sphere and at least two generations of Japanese raised on nationalistic dogma that led to WWII. Shinto was used as a means to prop up the Emperor. Most Japanese I know are Buddhist of some sort not Shinto. They do not like their radicals anymore then we like ours.

The average Japanese today are more akin to us then their nationalistic ancestors of just 50 years ago. They still have a very structured society, of course. But, many of the former trappings of nationalism that hung around after the war are gone or no longer of interest. When I arrived in Japan in the seventies, martial arts schools of all types were popular. The training was hard and the discipline taught was very militaristic. Samurai or Yakuza movies were popular. The lone warrior fighting injustice and dying for what was right. Yakuza popularized as epitome of the Nationalistic ideal. They were not liked but feared. Now the Yakuza are seen for what they always were, criminals to be despised This was because the generation that was running the country and the Yakuza had been born and raised on nationalism prior to WWII. On a recent visit, the change was very noticeable. The WWII generation is disappearing and are far less influential. The younger generations moved on from the nationalism. They accept foreigners to live in Japan now and have cracked down on organized crime. Although it seems the Triads are moving in. The nationalism, it is still there below the surface, but then that is true about us as well.

55 posted on 08/30/2020 7:18:25 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO (No Caitiff Choir of Angles will sing for me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: fieldmarshaldj

fdr only wanted us in the war to get out of the Great Depression his policies had really exacerbated.


56 posted on 08/30/2020 8:09:44 AM PDT by ealgeone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Leaning Right; BobL; fieldmarshaldj; LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget; CIB-173RDABN; cgbg
I'm sorry. Did somebody say something about reading history?

Hitler, Mussolini and FDR: The Secret History of a Mutual Admiration Society"

57 posted on 08/30/2020 8:44:01 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: OldGoatCPO

If the emperor was still not believed to be a descendant of Amaterasu (the sun goddess), then organizations like Nippon Kaigi (linked to the State Association of Shinto Shrines) would not exist. Like you said about nationalism, beliefs such as this are just under the surface.


58 posted on 08/30/2020 8:56:34 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: tired&retired

Johnson was truly one if the worst Presidents ever...though Carter eclipsed him, and Obama has no competition at all.


59 posted on 08/30/2020 9:29:14 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Texas Eagle

A Pearl Harbor had to happen to get us into the war. It wasn’t an FDR thing. Most Americans couldn’t care less about the fate of Europe at that time. We were basically an isolationist country. Not that that was an all bad thing.


60 posted on 08/30/2020 9:34:28 AM PDT by SamAdams76
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-67 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson