Posted on 08/23/2020 8:08:22 PM PDT by Vendome
you keep going while the cops are screaming at you to stop?
yep.
who knows which side behind the door you have leaned your shotgun.
> Btw, if you’re a cop and your trying to detain or arrest a suspect, you can’t allow them to reach back into a vehicle. That would be suicide. <
You’re the one who mentioned a home. That’s why I used a front porch example. Anyway, what you said above a fair point. But to use lethal force to stop the person? I can accept that only if the cop knows a gun is in the car. And yes, I know that puts the cop in an ugly, dangerous position.
There is no easy answer here. A guy is under stress and is not thinking clearly. He reaches into his car for his cell phone. He gets shot by a cop...very bad. A guy reaches into his car for a hidden gun. He gets to it. Also very bad.
“Wait, what? Let’s say I’m on my front porch and I’m having an angry verbal argument with a police officer. Maybe I just did something bad, like punching a neighbor. But I am unarmed. Then I turn to go into my house. Should the cop shoot?”
I was in a similar situation once. I was in a commercial area at night, I had a small office in the back of a furniture store in Norcross GA. I would hang out there some nights with my dog and grill burgers while doing work on my PC. One night I just fired up my small grill and the flames were burning high because of the lighter fluid. The grill was a safe distance from the all brick building (about 12’) but a cop must have driven by and saw the flames. He pulled up while I was inside and I didn’t notice him. I came out to check on the fire and I had bright lights shining right at me. I did realize it was an officer but I wasn’t happy with being blinded by the bright lights and spotlight. I looked at him for about 15 seconds and then said to myself F this. I turned to walk back inside the building to get away from the lights. The cop yelled to me “don’t do that” I walked a little further and then stopped because I figured it wasn’t a good idea to go back inside because he might think I was going back in for a gun.
I didn’t get shot.
Forget you and your porch. If ya want to speculate, how about if THIS suspect they had at, “Gun point” decided to run or walk into the closest home. Are you going to allow the suspect to do that?
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No opportunity.
You and your facts...golly g whiz
Here’s a copy of the video with a more decent account name. I didn’t like the account name in the other link.
https://twitter.com/CfuFreedom/status/1297716186516512771
He could have been going to retrieve a gun in the car. He could have been going to the car to run down officers. He could have started a dangerous high-speed pursuit. Any number of life threatening things.
> If ya want to speculate, how about if THIS suspect they had at, “Gun point” decided to run or walk into the closest home. Are you going to allow the suspect to do that? <
That is an excellent question. I guess it would depend on why the cops had their guns drawn. Where they chasing an armed man who just shot a bank teller? Or where they chasing a man who appeared to be unarmed, but who had just punched a neighbor?
In the first case, the armed man must be taken down, especially if there are innocents in that house.
But in the second case, no.
Look, I know the video is ugly and it sucks the suspect decided to act the way he did and died because of it, but if the cops thought this suspect was serious enough to draw on him, they could not allow him to reach in or enter that vehicle. If cops did that as a matter of training, there would be a whole lot of dead cops. Trust me.
You’ll see right after the video zooms in on the incident at the beginning, that the police and another individual jumped away from the arrestee then started to follow him around the vehicle with weapons drawn. Something happened right there on the other side of the vehicle.
https://twitter.com/CfuFreedom/status/1297716186516512771
“Watch the video. All he had to do was drop the pride and surrender to the armed cops. Only a psycho wouldn’t do that.”
While that may well be true, I was replying to your earlier comment that implied the perp was armed and walking away from police vs the police having their guns drawn. There’s a difference between dropping a weapon (that he apparently didn’t have) and dropping one’s pride.
I have no idea what the back story is here. But again, there were multiple cops drawing on this suspect. I would think he was a potentially serious threat for them to do that.
We’ll have to wait and see what caused them to attempt to hold this suspect at gun point. Based on the video, I’d assume they considered him to be a threat.
the guy has a knife. you can see it in the video.
LOL
> but if the cops thought this suspect was serious enough to draw on him, they could not allow him to reach in or enter that vehicle <
That is another good point. The few things I’ve read about this incident say the guy was just trying to break up a fight. But nothing was said as to WHY the cops had their weapons drawn on him.
Maybe the cops had a good reason for doing that. Maybe the guy yelled that he was going to get his gun. If so, the cops had better release that info immediately.
I don’t think they cops would have reacted the way they did if the suspect merely broken up a neighborhood fight.
And if that were the case, why in tarnation would this guy act the way he did while at gun point?
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