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Why Trump is winning the national policing argument.....
washingtonexaminer ^ | 7/22/2020 | Tom Rogan

Posted on 07/22/2020 1:36:21 PM PDT by caww

The mayor of Portland and the governor of Oregon might not like it, but President Trump has a winning issue with his federal law enforcement deployments.

The simple truth, one that Democratic politicians such as Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot need to grasp quickly, is that most people don't want to get shot dead. Their ignorance of that reality, willful or otherwise, reflects a quite stunning failure of political leadership.

The facts are clear. The chaos in Portland is a direct consequence of Mayor Ted Wheeler's appeasement of roving criminals. But rather than confront the destruction of private property and attacks on police officers and city residents, Wheeler is playing to the idiotic Twitter meme that the federal law enforcement officers are actually the Gestapo. In Chicago, Lightfoot is playing the same game.

Emboldened by the understandable reluctance of police officers to confront criminals, understandable in that Democratic mayors and prosecutors are out for badges, gangs are taking advantage of a security vacuum. Like the culprits, the victims are predominantly young black men. We are told that black lives matter, but only, it seems, when those lives are ended by police officers.

Trump has a winning issue....where the metal meets the meat, people want the police to protect them. It may not look nice and often isn't, but the deployment of federal law enforcement officers accomplishes two things. It shows that the federal government takes its duty of public security seriously, and it draws a striking contrast with politicians who would take the very opposite approach, defunding those who are needed to keep us safe.

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To: Lurker

- Convicted felons are being found in possession of firearms
Violations of sovereign state laws are to be dealt with by the state. A state’s failures do NOT justify unconstitutional federal acts.

- Federal property
Almost ALL “federal property” within the states are unconstitutional. Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 provides the conditions for the only constitutional allowance for federal property on state lands.

- No one is talking about DHS arresting for or prosecuting State crimes.
No one is talking about the massive unconstitutional encroachments and infringements by the feds upon America, her states, and her people. Does that mean it’s not happening?

Why do you constantly defend the utter corrupt and totalitarian $4 trillion feds who is like Audrey in The Little Shop of Horrors (”FEED ME!!!!”)? The feds are not you friend and we are one election way from this totalitarian beast from taking every thing you hold dear.


41 posted on 07/22/2020 3:32:55 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Lurker

He will win because he wants schools open.


42 posted on 07/22/2020 3:34:42 PM PDT by cnsmom
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To: sergeantdave

No, the expectation of the Founders was for the people of each state to take responsibility for themselves, elect and/or deal with those elected, and run things accordingly.

Who do you think constitutionally runs America? The government???? No, go somewhere else to find that.

No, in America, the key to her freedom and well being is that THE PEOPLE run the country by and through their elected state and national representatives with their individual rights and freedoms guarded by the the Rule of Law of the Constitution, the ONLY legal bulwark against tyranny.

If you abandon that, you’ve abandoned the free America the Constitution created.


43 posted on 07/22/2020 3:40:02 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: damper99

“...Wray is of the same mind as the Pentagon generals. They now believe they are independent and the President isn’t at the top of the chain of command. They are carving out their fiefdoms and will do as they please....”

Sort of. Wray and the Pentagon generals are still controlled by the Soros/obama shadow government. Any time the POTUS can put the onerous on them, he does. After his re-election, these soros/obama turds will likely be quickly “flushed”. The POTUS has probably learned the hard way that ALL those obama turds should have been flushed the first day.


44 posted on 07/22/2020 3:40:25 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (Libs are a virus.....the DemoVirus!!)
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To: Jim W N

Most people writing on the subject assert that POTUS is using the Insurrection Act to justify sending forces where there has been a breakdown of civil authority. I think that he is trying to leverage that act to get the mayors & Governors to request the help of the Federal Government so that he does not have to use the act. POTUS is very cognizant of the primacy of State control within the State. OTOH there is a breakdown of law & order and he is duty bound to address that situation if the local authorities do not. The language of his oath is shall

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867467714/what-is-the-insurrection-act-that-trump-is-threatening-to-invoke

https://www.voanews.com/usa/white-house-says-trump-prepared-invoke-insurrection-act


45 posted on 07/22/2020 3:47:27 PM PDT by JayGalt (You can't teach a donkey how to tap dance. Nemo me impune lacessit!)
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To: Jim W N

You haven’t addressed the problem, Jim.

Go organize the people in Oregon and Washington to put down the commie insurrection. That’s what you’re advocating. Either organize the anti-commie resistance or pay for a private army to recapture the states. Your choice.


46 posted on 07/22/2020 3:53:51 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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To: JayGalt

It doesn’t matter what “most people” say. It matters what the Executive Branch is using as the constitutional justification for ANY act.

WAY too many Executive Orders replacing Congress and the legitimate and constitutional lawmakers. If not corrected, this will come back to bite us HARD!!!

Why do you constantly defend the utter corrupt and totalitarian $4 trillion feds (in this case, the overreach of the executive branch) who is like Audrey in The Little Shop of Horrors (”FEED ME!!!!”)? The feds are not you friend and we are one election way from this totalitarian beast from taking every thing you hold dear.


47 posted on 07/22/2020 3:56:42 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: sergeantdave

Yes, I DID address the problem Dave. You’re just not paying attention,.

It’s up to the The PEOPLE of Oregon and Washington (not me) to put down the commie insurrection in their own state.


48 posted on 07/22/2020 3:58:42 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: sergeantdave

Yes, I DID address the problem Dave. You’re just not paying attention,.

It’s up to the The PEOPLE of Oregon and Washington (not me) to put down the commie insurrection in their own state.


49 posted on 07/22/2020 3:58:45 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

Stuff it.

L


50 posted on 07/22/2020 4:00:48 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Jim W N

Yes, I DID address the problem Dave. You’re just not paying attention,.

It’s up to the The PEOPLE of Oregon and Washington (not me) to put down the commie insurrection in their own state.

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This would imply that it was up to the PEOPLE of South Carolina to put down their insurrection in the Spring of 1861. What happens when the people in power there [Oregon, Washington] do not want to put it down? Do those who disagree just get crushed?


51 posted on 07/22/2020 4:12:29 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: ScholarWarrior

It hasn’t been our government for many years.

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That’s why it is way past time to take it back.


52 posted on 07/22/2020 4:13:40 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Jim W N

I think you mistake me. That is not surprising because we are discussing multifaceted issues in a superficial way.
I think that in the final analysis the people who are living in Chicago and other crime ridden hellholes need help. Not on a permanent basis but in a mop up operation that cuts the problem down to a size the locals can handle. What I am hoping is that this will be an education for traditionally democrat supporters who have been thrown under the bus, abandoned by their elected officials.
As long as there is a Constitutional justification for stepping in to rescue those communities I see it as long overdue. It is wrong to step aside and allow innocents to be slaughtered every weekend with the local authorities ignoring the crimes. That is not America, that is not equal justice. President Trump spent 3.5 years not using executive power as a way of circumventing the other branches of Government. He has been punctilious about respecting Congress & the Courts. Now he has begun to fight fire with fire in an effort to protect & defend the American people & our way of life.
Even now he tries every other means 1st. I am not sorry he is building the wall against all opposition by using every legal tool at his disposal. I am not sorry he is showing America that cities where the rule of law has been abandoned & corruption is a way of life can get a fresh start. I do not agree with your characterization. This is not the bloated federal Government acting. This is President Trump refusing to leave Americans in such desperate straits.
President Trump realizes he needs to get the country on a path towards prosperity, with a strong armed forces, a strong manufacturing sector, manufacturing essential items in USA and with trade deals that will allow us to prosper. POTUS wants all Americans to have the opportunity to work to make their dreams come true. He has been cutting regulations, cutting federal positions, breaking up bureaucracy for his entire term. I think your anger at the bloated central government is not allowing you to see that POTUS has the same end vision as you do and is moving towards it, unconventionally, using some sleight of hand to confuse the enemy but inexorably towards Government answerable to the people with limited Federal powers. His posture during COVID demonstrates that readily. Any amount of effort & funds to help the States but no move to attempt to utilize Central control and eliminate local choices.


53 posted on 07/22/2020 4:17:36 PM PDT by JayGalt (You can't teach a donkey how to tap dance. Nemo me impune lacessit!)
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To: Bishop_Malachi

Yes sir.


54 posted on 07/22/2020 4:29:40 PM PDT by ScholarWarrior
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To: Lurker

Wow, good well reasoned, thoughtful rational answer.

You are a waste of time and part of the problem.

I just checked and sure enough you are on my No Fly Zone list. Should never have replied to you. My mistake.


55 posted on 07/22/2020 4:35:47 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: caww

Most people want law and order.


56 posted on 07/22/2020 4:36:44 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Bishop_Malachi

But Trump hasn’t told the world his actions are based on the the Insurrection Act has he? And the feds (in this case, the Executive Branch) must explain the constitutional justification for ANY act.


57 posted on 07/22/2020 4:39:13 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

“Should never have replied to you.”

Feel free to not do so in the future. You suck IQ points out of the room.

L


58 posted on 07/22/2020 4:41:27 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: caww

Trump has been talking about sending federal law enforcement into Chicago ever since he was elected. This is no surprise and nothing new, just acting on a long standing warning.


59 posted on 07/22/2020 4:42:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is More often surrendered than seized.)
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To: Jim W N

POTUS hold his cards close to the chest and allows some ambiguity to give himself options. When the first suit is filed his legal team will be ready to layout the legal basis underpinning his actions.


60 posted on 07/22/2020 4:43:59 PM PDT by JayGalt (You can't teach a donkey how to tap dance. Nemo me impune lacessit!)
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