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Don’t Rush To Judgment On The Atlanta Shooting: The death of Rayshard Brooks is a tragedy, but it is not the open and shut case that George Floyd killing was.
The Federalist ^
| 06/15/2020
| David Marcus
Posted on 06/15/2020 7:29:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The death of Rayshard Brooks is a tragedy, but it is not the open and shut case that George Floyd killing was.
The death of Rayshard Brooks at the hands of Atlanta police officer Garrett Rolfe is a tragedy. Brooks was discovered by police asleep behind the wheel at a Wendys drive through. After apparently failing a field sobriety test, officers attempted to cuff Brooks, who resisted, stole an officers Taser and attempted to flee while pointing and seeming to fire the Taser at Rolfe. It is a sad story of a situation that got badly out of hand, but the rush to judgment against Rolfe by many in the media is misguided.
Over Saturday night as protesters burned down the Wendys in question, outlets like CNN were painting the police in the worst possible light, attempting clearly to link the shooting to the outrage over the killing of George Floyd. Sometimes this took the form of straight up lying, such as CNN legal analyst Areva Martin saying Brooks was unarmed.
We now have yet another death of an unarmed African American man, Martin says. Its a bizarre untruth especially from a legal analyst. On Sunday another CNN guest would say that Brooks was compliant with police even though he clearly refuses to be handcuffed and assaults the officers before stealing the Taser.
But even those on the left who are not telling flat out lies are misrepresenting the incident in almost every way they can to poison the publics views of the police action. He was running away, they say, Tasers arent lethal, they go on. What gets short if any shrift at all is that Brooks was firing a weapon at police that could incapacitate them, leaving them at Brooks mercy.
Police are in some sense like NFL refs; they are expected to make a decision in a split second that we can then scrutinize with endless slow motion replays. It is essentially an impossible ask and no replay booth can bring back a lost life. What makes the Brooks and Floyd killings so entirely different is time itself.
As Derek Chauvin drove his knee into George Floyds neck, a nearly nine-minute eternity occurred, during which time any of the officers should have saved Floyds life. The shooting in Atlanta could not be more different. A suspect attacks, steals a weapon, runs while aiming and possibly shooting it all in a matter of seconds. The incident is over almost before it starts.
It can be argued that the officers should have deescalated the situation, they could have simply given him a warning and told him to call an Uber, perhaps. The assumption being that this was a simple police interaction. But there is no such thing as a simple police interaction. Anytime police confront a suspect even on the most minor charge the possibility exists that the person could have warrants, could be looking at jail time, and could act accordingly.
The important thing to remember about police and the extraordinary powers we give them is that we do it because crime is inherently chaotic. The police have to play by rules; criminals by their very nature do not. This more than anything else is why kids (and some adults) have to be taught the right way to deal with police, and this goes for protestors too.
Its pretty simple. If the police stop you just do what they say. If mistakes are made; complain about it later. The police dont know who you are or what you are capable of doing. This does not give them a free pass when people resist, but it does put them in a dangerous and difficult situation that often leads to harm. Not only is obeying the police lawfully required, it is also the best way to keep everyone safe.
After the Boston Massacre in 1770 it was John Adams who defended the British soldiers who had fired on the angry crowd of patriots. The soldiers probably could have handled the situation better, leading to less loss of life, but Adams understood that was not the standard. He understood that the law gives those entrusted with keeping order, especially through violence, a lot of latitude on the use of force.
Six of the soldiers were acquitted, two found guilty not of murder but of manslaughter. It was a lesson for our nascent nation that taught us the value of rule of law, even when it protected the very powers the founders would soon be at war against. That is to say, no matter the righteous passions of protesters demanding police accountability, Garrett Rolfe must be tried based on the law, not based on the societal moment.
The fact of the matter is that if you are in a dark parking lot, you resist arrest, steal a cops Taser, point it at him and fire, there is a very good likelihood you will be shot. This is not the George Floyd case and a rush to judgment will only inflame, not soothe the mood of our angry country.
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atlanta; garrettrolfe; georgefloyd; rayshardbrooks; shooting; wendysprotest
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To: CodeToad
They did, however, neglect his medical crisis and should be held accountable for that You might benefit from more information.
https://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-truth-about-george-floyds-encounter.html
(The blog of a former US attorney)
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:37:58 AM PDT
by
bkopto
To: Bryan24
And this saint was out in covid release on child abuse charges. No tears here
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:39:20 AM PDT
by
Mom MD
To: Bryan24
Way way back in my day the local cops might have driven you home to sleep it off.
Now you get a DUI if you are in your driveway sleeping it off in your own car.
To: Greenperson
The drugs in Floyd’s system, and his coronary condition are largely irrelevant in this case. Derek Chauvin didn’t know anything about Floyd’s physical health.
Chauvin’s case will be decided on whether his breaking police policy by continuing to apply his knee to Floyd’s neck after Floyd stopped actively resisting (stopped moving and breathing, also) contributed to his death.
Chauvin’s depraved indifference to Floyd’s situation, leaving his knee on his neck for 2:45 after they checked for his pulse is what I cannot see him being able to explain away nor justify.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:46:53 AM PDT
by
Bryan24
(When in doubt, move to the right..........)
To: SeekAndFind
It’s not all that tragic. Brooks was a career criminal that was let out of prison because of the coronavirus.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:49:55 AM PDT
by
Kazan
To: Cautious Optimism
It is hard to rationalize shooting this fleeing subject in the back. He was shot after Brooks shot the officer with a taser that he had stolen from one of the officers.
That is quite a detail leave out.
This is an open and shut case of an officer acting self-defense, more so than the Michael Brown case since was unarmed.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:52:27 AM PDT
by
Kazan
To: SeekAndFind
It is hard to rationalize shooting this fleeing subject in the back. Open your damn eyes. Brooks resisted arrested, took one of their tasers and shot the taser at one of them.
That kind of behavior can't just be let go if you want to have any law and order.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:54:48 AM PDT
by
Kazan
To: SeekAndFind
The death of Rayshard Brooks at the hands of Atlanta police officer Garrett Rolfe is not in any way a tragedy. Once you fight the cops and aim a Taser at them, you’ve proven that the world would be a better place without you. Bye, Rayshard!
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:55:09 AM PDT
by
Pollster1
("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
To: Fido969
It is hard to rationalize shooting this fleeing subject in the back. He was shot AFTER Brooks shot at the officer. That would be the key detail.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:58:58 AM PDT
by
Kazan
To: Bryan24
See the link in Post 81 here
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posted on
06/15/2020 9:01:22 AM PDT
by
bkopto
To: SeekAndFind
Open and shut? Since when?
An approved method of restraining a person resisting arrest, for which the cop was trained for, was used. It was not a choke hold but a knee on the back of the neck.
However, Floyd was high on Fentanyl, which causes respiratory depression and death, Floyd had Covid 19 which causes lack of oxygen and respiratory problems and death, on top of that he had and enlarged heart and heart trouble.
The autopsy revealed that Floyd did Not die of asphyxiation.
The cop applied the hold for a long time, 9 minutes. But it is clear to me it was not murder, accidental manslaughter at best.
Why do people assume it was race realeted?
Are they so racist, and have such racial bias that any black death at the hands of the police is ‘systemic racial oppression’?
Why was Floyd resisting arrest? The man was large and dangerous (muscular 6 foot seven!) And several police were unable to put him in the cop car because of his resistance. The only choice the police had was to pin him down.
I call his death ‘suicide be cop’, and the cop should be exhonorated.
To: Toughluck_freeper
OK, what about the topic at hand — Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta?
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posted on
06/15/2020 9:13:46 AM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(look at Michigan, it wil)
To: Kazan
He was shot AFTER Brooks shot at the officer. That would be the key detail. Well, there you go. Shoot a tazer and run away, that gets you a shot in the back. Good luck with that.
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posted on
06/15/2020 9:19:27 AM PDT
by
Fido969
(In!)
To: Jimmy The Snake
He fired the taser at the officer and was shot. 100% justifiable shoot!
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posted on
06/15/2020 9:24:26 AM PDT
by
ohioman
To: Howie66
You are correct. This was suicide by Cop. It is disgusting the amount of idiots on this thread taking the side of BLM. FR needs a purge.
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posted on
06/15/2020 9:27:43 AM PDT
by
ohioman
To: bkopto
That didn’t negate anything I said.
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posted on
06/15/2020 9:33:48 AM PDT
by
CodeToad
(Arm Up! They Are!)
To: BBQToadRibs
Agreed. They already had everything to just stop by the next morning and arrest him.
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So he can secure a more lethal weapon to wait for the police to call on him?
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posted on
06/15/2020 9:34:28 AM PDT
by
TiGuy22
To: shelterguy
I had that same conversation with a cop buddy. He’s a white cop in a majority black large democrat city with plenty of protests.
I’ve also see the full 30 minute bodycam video. The guy went psycho with no warning and stole the officers Tazer. To a reasonable observer, his shooting was perfectly justified.
Freepers who think otherwise need to examine their premises.
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posted on
06/15/2020 9:46:48 AM PDT
by
cyclotic
(The most dangerous people are the ones that feel the most helpless)
To: cyclotic
A cop has a split second to make a decision.
Everyone else has all the time in the world to look at it frame by frame before making a decision.
To: JLAGRAYFOX
My brother once got pulled over by a cop driving a Mustang GT. My brother had an older GT. It ended up with the trooper and my brother under the hood of the Police car.
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posted on
06/15/2020 9:59:53 AM PDT
by
cyclotic
(The most dangerous people are the ones that feel the most helpless)
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