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Don’t Rush To Judgment On The Atlanta Shooting: The death of Rayshard Brooks is a tragedy, but it is not the open and shut case that George Floyd killing was.
The Federalist ^
| 06/15/2020
| David Marcus
Posted on 06/15/2020 7:29:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The death of Rayshard Brooks is a tragedy, but it is not the open and shut case that George Floyd killing was.
The death of Rayshard Brooks at the hands of Atlanta police officer Garrett Rolfe is a tragedy. Brooks was discovered by police asleep behind the wheel at a Wendys drive through. After apparently failing a field sobriety test, officers attempted to cuff Brooks, who resisted, stole an officers Taser and attempted to flee while pointing and seeming to fire the Taser at Rolfe. It is a sad story of a situation that got badly out of hand, but the rush to judgment against Rolfe by many in the media is misguided.
Over Saturday night as protesters burned down the Wendys in question, outlets like CNN were painting the police in the worst possible light, attempting clearly to link the shooting to the outrage over the killing of George Floyd. Sometimes this took the form of straight up lying, such as CNN legal analyst Areva Martin saying Brooks was unarmed.
We now have yet another death of an unarmed African American man, Martin says. Its a bizarre untruth especially from a legal analyst. On Sunday another CNN guest would say that Brooks was compliant with police even though he clearly refuses to be handcuffed and assaults the officers before stealing the Taser.
But even those on the left who are not telling flat out lies are misrepresenting the incident in almost every way they can to poison the publics views of the police action. He was running away, they say, Tasers arent lethal, they go on. What gets short if any shrift at all is that Brooks was firing a weapon at police that could incapacitate them, leaving them at Brooks mercy.
Police are in some sense like NFL refs; they are expected to make a decision in a split second that we can then scrutinize with endless slow motion replays. It is essentially an impossible ask and no replay booth can bring back a lost life. What makes the Brooks and Floyd killings so entirely different is time itself.
As Derek Chauvin drove his knee into George Floyds neck, a nearly nine-minute eternity occurred, during which time any of the officers should have saved Floyds life. The shooting in Atlanta could not be more different. A suspect attacks, steals a weapon, runs while aiming and possibly shooting it all in a matter of seconds. The incident is over almost before it starts.
It can be argued that the officers should have deescalated the situation, they could have simply given him a warning and told him to call an Uber, perhaps. The assumption being that this was a simple police interaction. But there is no such thing as a simple police interaction. Anytime police confront a suspect even on the most minor charge the possibility exists that the person could have warrants, could be looking at jail time, and could act accordingly.
The important thing to remember about police and the extraordinary powers we give them is that we do it because crime is inherently chaotic. The police have to play by rules; criminals by their very nature do not. This more than anything else is why kids (and some adults) have to be taught the right way to deal with police, and this goes for protestors too.
Its pretty simple. If the police stop you just do what they say. If mistakes are made; complain about it later. The police dont know who you are or what you are capable of doing. This does not give them a free pass when people resist, but it does put them in a dangerous and difficult situation that often leads to harm. Not only is obeying the police lawfully required, it is also the best way to keep everyone safe.
After the Boston Massacre in 1770 it was John Adams who defended the British soldiers who had fired on the angry crowd of patriots. The soldiers probably could have handled the situation better, leading to less loss of life, but Adams understood that was not the standard. He understood that the law gives those entrusted with keeping order, especially through violence, a lot of latitude on the use of force.
Six of the soldiers were acquitted, two found guilty not of murder but of manslaughter. It was a lesson for our nascent nation that taught us the value of rule of law, even when it protected the very powers the founders would soon be at war against. That is to say, no matter the righteous passions of protesters demanding police accountability, Garrett Rolfe must be tried based on the law, not based on the societal moment.
The fact of the matter is that if you are in a dark parking lot, you resist arrest, steal a cops Taser, point it at him and fire, there is a very good likelihood you will be shot. This is not the George Floyd case and a rush to judgment will only inflame, not soothe the mood of our angry country.
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atlanta; garrettrolfe; georgefloyd; rayshardbrooks; shooting; wendysprotest
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To: Jimmy The Snake
The officer stopped, fired and hit him in the back as he was running away with a tazer that had been fired. How is he a threat? Cops are trained that if a suspect grabs your tazer then he could use it on you, take your gun and shoot you - so it falls into the "deadly force" criterion. Once the cop starts that action, he is likely to follow through based on training, rather than thinking.
A good example of this is the Walter Scott shooting. Scott reached for the officer's taser, then turned around and ran away. He was 15-20 feet away from the cop when he was shot in the back.
"He grabbed (or reached for) my weapon (or tazer)" used to be a get out of jail free card for cops. Now that these incidents are looked at more closely, more examples are coming to light where that excuse doesn't justify the fatal action.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:13:57 AM PDT
by
Fido969
(In!)
To: Georgia Girl 2
RE: After watching the video IMO the reason he was shot in the back was because at the time he was half turned back discharging the taser.
I am not familiar with tasers. How dangerous is it to the officers from the distance he was discharging it from?
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:17:35 AM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(look at Michigan, it wil)
To: Altura Ct.
Exactly what “system of justice” are you referring to? In case you have missed it, the current and quite operative Two Tier “system” is rolling along as planned. Just ask Roger Stone, Lt.General Flynn and Justice Kavanaugh. Of course you could also check with Hillary Rodham Clinton, Susan Rice, James Comey and Loretta Lynch for their take on this subject.
Remember.
“Justice delayed is Justice denied”
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:19:39 AM PDT
by
Howie66
("...Against All Enemies, Foreign and Democrat.....")
To: shelterguy
I agree. I looked at the video and concluded the same thing, it was completely justified.
After you have wrestled with police, and then you are running away, any threatening movement you make becomes a credible threat, particularly when that involves pointing some kind of weapon at the police. That act negates any past or future running away.
There is a phrase to describe cops who just assume there is no danger in that situation - dead cops. You cant assume it is a taser. You cant assume he had no other weapon on him. He has already overpowered you and now he is threatening you with something in his hand. Even if he turns to run again, you dont know if hes going to turn and fire again after that.
Good shoot.
In fact, very good shoot.
To: Jimmy The Snake
Because the taser can still be used even though the projectile taser had been used, there is still a contact taser function available. He could’ve used that on anyone, carjacked someone and caused a crash with multiple deaths or who knows what else.
Look at how the process started, the cops were being reasonable, talking with him calmly, he got out of control and assaulted two officers and was showing a propensity for violence towards police. What makes you think he was going to stop there?
There are a multitude of scenarios here that could’ve went down. Letting him go is not one that should be considered given the circumstances. Shooting him while running away may seem questionable, but in the end he was still a threat as he was “running away”. He may have been running towards someone else in hopes that he could leverage them or their vehicle, etc...
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:20:02 AM PDT
by
jurroppi1
(The Left doesn't have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
To: The Truth Will Make You Free
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:20:12 AM PDT
by
Eagles6
To: JLAGRAYFOX
Dude,
I am a 58 year old speed demon (I have a heavy foot).
When I see a cop car doing a u turn behind me, I immediately find a safe place to pull over and stop. I put my flashers on and open EVERY WINDOW. If night, I turn on my dome light.
While the cop is reading my plate, I pull my registration papers, my license and my conceal carry permit (for good measure) and place them in my hands OUTSIDE the window for the policeman as they approach my vehicle. This action completely de-escalates the anxiety that a cop SHOULD normmaly have when approaching a vehicle.
It is yes sir, no sir. for the entire conversation. Guess what, out of the 4-5 times I have been pulled over for the past 3-4 years, I have gotten off with just a warning. My wife says that I am the luckiest guy in the world but it can all be boiled down to displaying respect for the LE and the badge they represent. In many cases, we start visiting about firearms. Sometimes I may be stopped for 45 minutes sharing info with them.
Respect the law..... easy peasy concept.
MFO
To: The Truth Will Make You Free
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:22:48 AM PDT
by
Bryan24
(When in doubt, move to the right..........)
To: SeekAndFind
you know those Minn cops have not been tried nor convicted yet, and until they do, its alleged murder, nothing more....
how can they get a fair trial?.....
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:23:44 AM PDT
by
cherry
To: Moonman62
it is Cub foods, not cup foods.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:24:35 AM PDT
by
jurroppi1
(The Left doesn't have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
To: BBQToadRibs
He assaulted both police officers. He was intoxicated and had been driving. He apparently was on probation, which means the new crimes would probably send him to prison. MADD used to be considered the heroes. Now we’re supposed to let people drive while intoxicated and possibly kill innocent people (and yet people not wearing masks are accused of risking other people’s lives and so “should be” arrested for “assault”)? He’d be alive if he didn’t resist arrest, didn’t punch the officers, didn’t take and point a taser at the officer. How could the officer have known that it was a taser and not the other officer’s gun OR a gun that Brooks himself had? He was running, so why did he delay, turn, and fire at the officer? What was his goal? What would have happened if the officer went down, incapacitated? Officers have a right to self-defense, they have a duty to protect the public, and they deserve due process, presumption of innocence, and a fair trial BEFORE being punished. The VP-hopeful mayor forgot all about due process and her classes in constitutional law, apparently. She called for his IMMEDIATE firing, which she got. In addition, she “accepted” the white female police chief’s resignation and replaced her with a black male. This is equality and racial justice in 2020.
To: treetopsandroofs
The taser is not a one-shot dealie. There is a projectile taser contact function, which is one shot, then there is the direct contact function of the taser that can be used multiple times.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:26:57 AM PDT
by
jurroppi1
(The Left doesn't have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
To: SeekAndFind
Who knows? They were fairly close. What if he disabled the cop and then grabbed his gun? These things escalate and get pretty fluid. Bad decisions can lead to bad endings. That’s what happened here.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:27:16 AM PDT
by
Georgia Girl 2
(The only purpose of a pistol is to fight neiyour way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
To: dmet
You just dont know. Sure you do. Just replay the action in slow-motion; it's as plain as day.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:27:18 AM PDT
by
Mr Ramsbotham
("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
To: mad_as_he$$; treetopsandroofs
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:30:45 AM PDT
by
2CAVTrooper
(Political Science degrees, so easy Obama has one.)
To: jurroppi1
Thanks, did not know that before this discussion, but was not agreeing with the self-professed experts here telling us the cop should have known not to shoot.
To: Man from Oz
I could not agree with you more.....once the cops saw I was not stoned on something and could converse with them in decent manner...they would ask me all kinds of questions about my car, a 1960 Pontiac Catalina & a 1978 Pontiac Trans Am. They would ask me to get out the car and show them the engine...they looked at the carbs and the breathing exhaust manifolds, and the plugged Lakes Plugs that were capped off!!! They used to kid me, saying “Hey, Teenage Punk...you should have run...we never would have caught you!!!” I actually learned, that these cops were human...too!!! I still respect and honor them 100%. They have a very tough, dangerous job and we should all, as good citizens appreciate them!!!
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:31:42 AM PDT
by
JLAGRAYFOX
(Defeat both the Republican (e) & Democrat (e) political parties....Forever!!!)
To: SaxxonWoods
Yes, or barricade himself in the house with weapons and kids and baby mama as shields.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:31:59 AM PDT
by
Eagles6
To: treetopsandroofs
Sounds like there are also dual shot projectile taser types as well.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:35:52 AM PDT
by
jurroppi1
(The Left doesn't have ideas, it has cliches. H/T Flick Lives)
To: shelterguy
I see he is a “former police chief”. With advice like that, I can see why. Depending on his past record, that could have been Felony DUI.
Call him an Uber? What a moron.
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posted on
06/15/2020 8:37:19 AM PDT
by
Bryan24
(When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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