Excited Delirium - Complaint in George Floyd case - probable answers to "how" and "why"

www.startribune.com ^ | 05.29.2020 | Multiple

[rxsid]

According to the criminal complaint: Police were called after Floyd was suspected of passing a fake $20 at the Cup Foods store. Officers Thomas Lane and J Alexander Kueng approached Floyd, who was sitting in a car with two other people. Lane pointed his gun at Floyd, who placed his hands on the steering wheel. Lane returned his gun to the holster and pulled him out of the car. Floyd initially resisted being handcuffed, but once cuffed was compliant. When they tried to put Floyd in their squad car he stiffened and fell to the ground and said he was claustrophobic.

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"As Lane, Kueng and Chauvin held down Floyd, Lane asked if they should reposition his body.

“Should we roll him on his side?” Lane asked, according to the charges.

“No, staying put where we got him,” Chauvin responded.

“I am worried about excited delirium or whatever,” Lane said.

“That’s why we have him on his stomach,” Chauvin said."

[rxsid]

Excited Delirium - Excited (or agitated) delirium is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, often in the pre-hospital care setting. It is typically associated with the use of drugs that alter dopamine processing, hyperthermia, and, most notably, sometimes with death of the affected person in the custody of law enforcement. Subjects typically die from cardiopulmonary arrest, although the cause is debated. Unfortunately an adequate treatment plan has yet to be established, in part due to the fact that most patients die before hospital arrival. While there is still much to be discovered about the pathophysiology and treatment, it is hoped that this extensive review will provide both police and medical personnel with the information necessary to recognize and respond appropriately to excited delirium." The western journal of emergency medicine 2011 Feb; 12(1): 77–83

[rxsid]

This appears to go to the "how" Floyd wound up on the ground (stiffened and fell to the ground) as well as the "why" the cops pinned him to the ground (at least two of them thought Excited Delirium was occurring).

[Eddie01]

It doesn’t matter how and why, the damage is done.

[Yogafist]

I wonder how much claustrophobia induced by being handcuffed plays into a situation like that.

[Eagles6]

Doesn't matter.

The howling mob must be appeased.

[Wuli]

I can only say the case demands an autopsy.

[hans56]

Funny how there is no mention that both, the cop and the perp worked together in the past.
Workplace spat gone rouge?

[redrhino47]

I’m interested in how and why. just saying.

[mn-bush-man]

Has anyone heard more about the carbon monoxide theory (due to proximity to the tailpipe of the cruiser)?

[Sacajaweau]

Floyd was in a car with two other guys when the police approached. So his claustrophobic call doesn’t fit.

[READINABLUESTATE]

“Workplace spat gone rouge?”
Club owner said it was unlikely they knew each other. One worked inside the other was outside.
Large venue.

[rxsid]

Yes, damage is already done...and will continue to be done.

However, information is always good. Especially for those "fence sitters" who aren't sure what to believe due to lack of information.

[ArmstedFragg]

It also mentions he was yelling he couldn’t breathe long before they got him on the ground.

[Sacajaweau]

Absolutely. What we do know is that the cop was not responsible for his death. Bet BOTH drugs and booze.

And this was a huge guy.

[Yogafist]

If you read the probable cause statement he complained of claustrophobia after he was handcuffed.

[rxsid]

"It also mentions he was yelling he couldn’t breathe long before they got him on the ground."

...and technically, the complaint say's that he "fell" to the ground: "When they tried to put Floyd in their squad car he stiffened and fell to the ground and said he was claustrophobic."

Sure seems like he was under the influence of something significant. Will be interesting to hear what the full toxicology report shows.

[plain talk]

"the four officers struggled to place Floyd in the squad car. Chauvin then pulled Floyd out of the vehicle, and the 6-foot-6 Floyd went to the ground while still handcuffed, the complaint read. As two officers held Floyd’s back and leg, Chauvin had his knee on the Floyd’s neck, the charges continued."

Four policeman couldn't get the guy in a squad car. So Officer Einstein decides to throw him down on the pavement restraining him with his knee. When questioned about it he says "“No, staying put where we got him,” Chauvin responded.

We didn't need this right now. One stupid mistake and the dems will stir up their base and squeeze mileage out of this all summer. The poor officer was probably just too stupid to know what he was doing. This is what doubling down on stupidity looks like.

[digger48]

I purposely never pay any attention to these things for at least 3-5 days

I have yet to watch the Aubrey deal OR this video

Takes several days before the media slows down the distortions and facts trickle out

That, and I simply don’t care anymore

I didn’t cause it
I have no power over what happens next

and yet, I still get called a racist because I’m not a brain-dead Democrat voter

I. Just. Don’t. Care. Anymore.

[petitfour]

6’6” or 6’??? Washington times says 6’ in an article I just read.

[bort]

And he refused to getting in the squad car because he claimed he was claustrophobic. This was 5 minutes after he was pulled out of another car he was sitting in. Drugs.