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Trump Draft Order Could Seek to Limit Protections for Social-Media Companies
wsj.com ^ | May 27, 2020

Posted on 05/27/2020 11:33:29 PM PDT by Helicondelta

A draft of an executive order President Trump is expected to sign on Thursday would seek to limit the broad legal protection that federal law currently provides social-media and other online platforms, according to people familiar with the draft.

The draft order would make it easier for federal regulators to hold companies such as Twitter and Facebook liable for curbing users’ speech, for example by suspending their accounts or deleting their posts, the people said.

The draft isn’t yet completed and is subject to change, the people said. It comes after Twitter on Tuesday moved for the first time to apply a fact-checking notice to tweets by the president on the subject of voter fraud. Mr. Trump on Tuesday accused the company of stifling free speech and vowed to take action.

The executive order would mark the Trump administration’s most aggressive effort to take action against social-media companies, which the president has threatened to do for years. The order would also likely be challenged in court, experts said.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: censorbusting; freespeech; internet; section230; technotyranny
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To: Helicondelta

I look forward to the EO countering the Lawfare in the courts.

Laura Loomer’s lawsuit failed same day decision to drop the EO.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/27/21272066/social-media-bias-laura-loomer-larry-klayman-twitter-google-facebook-loss


21 posted on 05/28/2020 5:19:36 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: a fool in paradise

Maybe the EO will facilitate a flood of RICO lawsuits


22 posted on 05/28/2020 5:24:14 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Helicondelta

Is falsifying information, misinformation, disinformation, and outright propaganda not considered sedition when it relates to trying to overturn our government? Joseph Goebbels would be proud of our media, both social and “news”. This is exactly how the Germans deceived the people during WWII. Shut down FB and Twitter. Don’t give them any privileged exemptions. Let the law suits begin!


23 posted on 05/28/2020 5:25:37 AM PDT by RobertoinAL
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To: Helicondelta
I don't think this EO will stand. I don't see the authority behind it. That said, I quit Facebook couple years back and never signed on to Twitter which is pointless, IMO.

I personally think social media sites have harmed out society and turning the users into addicted zombies.

24 posted on 05/28/2020 9:11:44 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (I'm not Islamophobic - I'm Islamonauseous. Also LGBTQxyz nauseous.)
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To: a fool in paradise
The order changes none of that. The actions of Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter to delete and denounce some content but not others means they are asserting editorial control on the issues of the day and are not common carriers. The socialist media sites did this to themselves. They can’t have it both ways.

Precisely. They lobbied to gain the protection of a common carrier, making them not liable for patron's comments. They then proceeded to monitor those same comments they sought relief against, asserting the privilege of a private platform. They cannot be both public and private, asserting the protections of both.

25 posted on 05/28/2020 9:30:51 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (A deep and terrible ignorance born of abject corruption is required to hate our president.)
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To: proud American in Canada

“But they should be treated as common carriers, like the phone companies.”

The law does not treat them that way now, and it’s unlikely to do so in the future.

They are nothing like the phone companies. And any attempt to regulate them as such is doomed to fail.

They are more like ABC or NYT. They are now publishers of content.

Even though they still enjoy Section 230 protections by law, even when they “moderate” and “curate” their forums.

While an EO can nibble around the edges and make life more uncomfortable for them, it cannot overturn that law.

And this is as important to the left as USSC judges. It’s a hill they will die on. Any change to that law will require a Trump presidency and Republican control of both houses of Congress. Big majorities at that.


26 posted on 05/28/2020 9:58:21 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Helicondelta
Contrarian view : Jack is happy to see this happen. Note that Jack's first mega-wave of knocking conservatives off Twitter was Summer of 2016, when he banned Milo for making fun of that sheboon from Ghostbusters, then in rapid fashion used that setup to ban other, more serious conservatives.

Meanwhile, Jack secretly met twice with Google and begged them to buy Twitter: 'see, I'm virtue signaling by cracking down on conservatives, just imagine what you can do once you buy it', but at the time Google didn't want the outlet -- having been burned by their awful collapse of Google+ -- and they thought Cankles was going to win and regulate conservatives from the top-down, rather than force the social media conglomerates to do so. Finally, as with all things capitalist, Jack's asking price was too high (and he wanted on Google's Executive Board).

This is simply a repeat of the 2016 pattern. He wants Google to buy Twitter.

If this EO doesn't actually cost Jack his fortune, then he doesn't care. Trump needs to punish Jack directly, reveal his phone calls, his contacts, his mess of a personal life.

27 posted on 05/28/2020 10:15:53 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (I don't owe you my freedom.)
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28 posted on 05/28/2020 10:17:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: krogers58

wow this ^&(# is getting real FINALLY!!!


29 posted on 05/28/2020 10:29:33 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Sir_Humphrey

“My solution was to say to hell with them and not visit the sites anymore.“

Me too.

But to answer your original question - No, a future Democrat President could not use this same rationale against FR.

The difference is that FR and other forums or outlets which provide commentary and editorial opinions are already not exempted from regulation as “common carriers”. So this would take nothing away from FR.

Twitter and FB claim to be “common carriers“ - they claim to be serving as the “telephone lines“ over which people communicate, and therefore not liable for what gets said’ you whom.

But by “fact checking“ the President’s tweets, Twitter is trying to have it both ways. They want to be protected as “common carriers” but yet they wish to weigh in on the content. FB is playing it smarter by having Zuckerberg go out and say Facebook shouldn’t attempt to evaluate what is true or not true, or what is “right“ or “wrong”. But FB is in violation of common carrier regs as well - the President is making them choose -

FB has already chosen, so No, this could not come around and bite FR in the ass.


30 posted on 05/28/2020 10:31:41 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: Helicondelta

What do Social Media platforms think of big active government now? :)


31 posted on 05/28/2020 10:46:28 AM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: enumerated
Thank you- that was a great, concise explanation and I understand better now.

Still I can see a future Democrat administration trying to claim the FR too is a common carrier due to the fact we have local chapters who organize political rallies as well as other forms of political activism. I can imagine we agree that this argument would be preposterous. Yet if they bring to court and argue in front of some moron Obama appointed judge (because they will judge shop), anything can happen. I don't mean to sound like a pessimist but I really don't trust these people.

32 posted on 05/28/2020 10:57:52 AM PDT by Sir_Humphrey (Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people -Socrates)
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To: Sir_Humphrey

Right - I trust them about as far as I can throw them

They will lie, cheat, twist, etc..

Just saying Trump is right to push back and show them they can’t have it both ways.


33 posted on 05/28/2020 11:41:52 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: convoter2016

Agree, 100%.


34 posted on 05/28/2020 11:56:54 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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To: proud American in Canada
Common carriers, absolutely. Agree, 110!

And I'm waiting for AT&T to break into my phone line and tell me "STOP!.. You can't say THAT!"

35 posted on 05/28/2020 11:59:00 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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To: Helicondelta

Some time ago, didn’t Twitter require President Trump to NOT delete the nasty comments that moonbats posted on his Twitter page?

But Twitter did NOT require the same of Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, or any other liberal politician.

How is that allowed? Two-sets of rules?


36 posted on 05/28/2020 2:20:31 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm triggered by liberals and other assorted moonbats.)
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To: Sir_Humphrey

You sent shivers down my spine when you said, “future Democrat administration.”

The RATS going after FreeRepublic would be the least of the calamities these RAT bastards would unleash on the country.


37 posted on 05/28/2020 2:22:52 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I'm triggered by liberals and other assorted moonbats.)
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To: proud American in Canada

We should be applauding Trump’s move, which would move in a direction toward less regulation.

The idea that they should be treated as common carriers, hence greater regulation, is offensive to be completely honest.

Trump is doing the right thing here. Section 230 is highly flawed and needs to be permanently retired or clarified so that these online social media are forced to pick being a platform, or being a publisher, in a very visible and undeniable way. Right now they try having both and its always a question. That is the problem.

Section 230 is the problem. Conservatives face censorship specifically because of the weaknesses of section 230.


38 posted on 05/28/2020 4:42:06 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Public meetings are superior to newspapers)
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To: Tzimisce

This isn’t big government.

Turning them into common carriers or doing anti-trust would be big government.


39 posted on 05/28/2020 4:43:52 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Public meetings are superior to newspapers)
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