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CNN doubles down...

And before you say: “Why post this crap?”

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

-- Sun Tzu

1 posted on 04/21/2020 2:49:58 PM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Magnatron

I know they lie ALL THE TIME.

THAT IS ALL I need to know about it


26 posted on 04/21/2020 3:18:03 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach John Roberts for corruption. SOROS IS "SPARTACUS" BOOKER'S LANISTA.)
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Here is the conclusion of the study:

“This work was supported by National Institutes of Health (USA) grants (R01EY028027 and R01EY029799), DuPont Guerry, III, Professorship, and University of Virginia Strategic Investment Fund to JA. The funders had no role in study design or conduct, data collection, analysis, or interpretation, manuscript writing, or the decision to submit the manuscript for publication. The content of this article is solely the responsibility of the authors and does not necessarily represent the official views of the National Institutes of Health, U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, nor does mention of trade names, commercial products, or organizations imply endorsement by the United States government. This paper represents original research conducted using data from the Department of Veterans Affairs and is, in part, the result of work supported with resources and the use of facilities at the Dorn Research Institute, Columbia VA Health Care System, Columbia, South Carolina.
Disclosure forms provided by the authors are available with the NEJM. JA is a co-founder of iVeena Holdings, iVeena Delivery Systems and Inflammasome Therapeutics, and has received consultancy fees from Allergan, Biogen, Boehringer Ingelheim, Immunovant, Janssen, Olix Pharmaceuticals, Retinal Solutions, and Saksin LifeSciences, all unrelated to this work. JA is named as an inventor on a patent application filed by the University of Virginia relating to Covid-19 but unrelated to this work. SSS has received research grants from Boehringer Ingelheim, Gilead Sciences, Portola Pharmaceuticals, and United Therapeutics, all unrelated to this work. The other authors declare no competing interests.”

Cut to the chase, Gilead sciences helped fund the study as did the University of Virginia that is also investing in COVID solutions. So, these interests would both profit mightily if an inexpensive therapy like HCQ+AZ+zinc were found to NOT be therapeutic. Authors conclude: “we have not competing interests.”

False.

By the way, I am fine with institutions seeking other solutions but we should not pretend this was a dispassionate or fair analysis.

Authors also concede this in the conclusion:

“Our study has certain limitations including those inherent to all retrospective analyses such as non-randomization of treatments. “

That is exactly what I said in an earlier post that we do not know the conditions under which these three different treatment options were pursued.

I would bet money that there exists within the database instances of using the full protocol of three recommended medicines and the authors chose not to include that data.


28 posted on 04/21/2020 3:19:53 PM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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By the way, I am also glad that magnetron posted this because I agree we need to be ready for the enemy and posts like these help us deconstruct the problem.


30 posted on 04/21/2020 3:22:53 PM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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Meanwhile the many who have been saved by the drug can give a big F U to the commie media..notice the only drug the commie media is rooting for is Remdesivir, want to know why, because Remdesivir costs 1,000 per pill, hydroxy is 5 cents per pill its ALL about the money, that and a vaccine..gee if Hydroxy is SO dangerous I guess take it off the market, why should lupus patients die from such a horrible drug right commie media


31 posted on 04/21/2020 3:24:59 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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Here is a link to the study

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1

This retroactive study means nothing as there is no control over random assignment of patients who were assigned to a treatment group or non treatment group.

So the patients who were not sick enough to receive treatment had lower mortality rate.

DUH!!!


34 posted on 04/21/2020 3:29:59 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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CNN has nothing on the National Enquirer. /s


36 posted on 04/21/2020 3:31:47 PM PDT by cranked
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It was not a study. They just took the statistics from VA. They have no idea why any of the people were put on drugs, or why they were not.

Most likely is, the sicker a person was, the more likely they ended up on HC or HC+AZ, subject to the laws of whatever state they were in, and whether one or both of the drugs were available.

My guess is the group that didn’t take the drugs were the least sick, why would you take an experimental drug if you feel fine anyway?


39 posted on 04/21/2020 3:41:39 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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Researchers also looked at whether taking hydroxychloroquine or a combination of hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin, had an effect on whether a patient needed to go on a ventilator.

What's the death rate on someone who uses a ventilator? 80%

42 posted on 04/21/2020 3:44:44 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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Thank you for the quote from Sun Tzu. It gets so tedious seeing Freepers freakout when someone posts something from an “unapproved” source.


43 posted on 04/21/2020 3:46:12 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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Buried way down on page 13 is this...
Despite propensity score adjustment for a large number of relevant confounders, we cannot rule out the possibility of selection bias or residual confounding. Our study cohort comprised only men whose median age was over 65 years. Therefore, the results may not necessarily reflect outcomes in women or in younger hospitalized populations, nor can they be extrapolated to pediatric patients.

Our findings may also be influenced by the demographic composition of patients in our cohort, the majority of whom were black. Disproportionately higher rates of Covid-19-related hospitalization among the black population have also been reported in the United States as a whole

Our study also has certain strengths. Because we studied data from a comprehensive electronic medical record rather than from an administrative health insurance claims database, we used rigorously identified covariates and outcomes. We studied patients in an integrated national healthcare system; therefore, the data are less susceptible to biases of single-center or regional studies.

Data from ongoing, randomized controlled studies will prove informative when they emerge. Until then, the findings from this retrospective study suggest caution in using hydroxychloroquine in hospitalized Covid-19 patients, particularly when not combined with azithromycin.

So the study might be valid for black men with a median age of 65.
44 posted on 04/21/2020 3:46:58 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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In the study of 368 patients, 97 patients who took hydroxychloroquine had a 27.8% death rate.   The 158 patients who did not take the drug had an 11.4% death rate.

With the way they present this, these reprehensible villains are seeming to imply that hydroxychloroquine kills.

49 posted on 04/21/2020 4:11:09 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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At what stage of the illness was chloro treatment started I wonder?


51 posted on 04/21/2020 4:15:33 PM PDT by 1066AD
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55 posted on 04/21/2020 4:33:09 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Wu Flu! (when I feel heavy metal) Wu Flu! (when I'm pins and I'm needles) Wu Flu!)
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No dosage cited. I read that in the study with all the deaths from heart problems, they were dosing 450 to 650 twice a day. The people died from overdose.


58 posted on 04/21/2020 4:48:39 PM PDT by steve8714
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Higher death rate is because they don’t let them take it in NY until they’re hospitalized. It’s best early on, not only at the time of diagnosis but at the time of symptoms. And Cuomo won’t permit this.

Who put governors in charge of medical and pharmacy stuff anyway?


59 posted on 04/21/2020 5:00:19 PM PDT by livius
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National Institute of Health study published in 2005!

Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread

Conclusion: Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.

62 posted on 04/21/2020 5:38:04 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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CNN is an arm of the Democratic National Committee. Of this there is no question. Otherwise, why would they be printing something that doctors have said is working? They are really sleezy!


66 posted on 04/21/2020 6:22:26 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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ABC radio news did a lengthy blurb on this earlier this evening. You could almost sense the glee.


67 posted on 04/21/2020 6:35:59 PM PDT by Yardstick
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It is in CNN’s interest that more people die from CCP virus. Keep the fear, the destruction, the isolation going. Push vaccines, microchipping, totalitarian control.
They are in league with the CCP cartel


68 posted on 04/21/2020 8:49:07 PM PDT by boxlunch (Pray for President Trump! Break up the Chicomm/Demomafia/Lying media/Deep State cartel)
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So, they "reviewed veterans' medical charts" and called it a "study" but provide zero actual data about the patients' original health/age/stage of illness before the dosing, etc....

I can pull a more relevant study outta my butt any given second of a day...but I call it the proper term...."An Obama"...

71 posted on 04/22/2020 4:00:09 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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