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Iceland has tested one-tenth of its population for coronavirus at random and found HALF of people have the disease without realising...
Daily Mail ^ | April 11, 2020 | Ryan Fahey

Posted on 04/12/2020 7:33:43 AM PDT by L.A.Justice

Iceland has tested one-tenth of its population for coronavirus at random and found that half of people have the disease without realising.

They also discovered that 1,600 people have been infected with Covid-19 since the start of the outbreak. Of these cases, there were only seven deaths, indicating a fatality rate of just 0.004 per cent, which is significantly lower than other countries, including the UK.

The findings were made during Iceland's rigorous testing campaign, conducted with the help of Reykjavik-based biopharmaceutical company deCODE genetics, which has seen 10 per cent of the 364,413 population swabbed, something yet to be achieved by any other nation.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: chinesevirus; cookingcovidrates; coronavirus; covidcaptivity; covidphobia; hydroxychloroquine; hysteriavirus; iceland; kungflu
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To: zeestephen

“My own theory is that the four strains of coronavirus that cause the common cold confer some level of immunity to COVID-19.”

why? different cold viruses don’t confer immunity for each other and the same is true for the different influenza viruses ...


81 posted on 04/12/2020 11:38:29 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: L.A.Justice

From February, interesting article. May explain a lot...

https://www.icelandreview.com/news/quarantine-of-icelanders-returning-from-china-raises-questions/


82 posted on 04/12/2020 11:38:43 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break oi FWIWut the mustard seeds.)
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To: L.A.Justice

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83 posted on 04/12/2020 12:12:50 PM PDT by simpson96
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To: xp38; DoughtyOne; null and void
Iceland is at the bottom (meaning best) of my list of population- and timeline-adjusted COVID-19 fatalities.
84 posted on 04/12/2020 12:22:48 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: Norseman

“We will know that’s the case if Fauci and Birx turn on a dime someday, as they should...”

They’ve been doing that a lot in the past. Primarily to keep the masses from freaking out. With no masks or hand sanitizer to be found, masks weren’t helpful and sanitizer doesn’t help you need to wash your hands. I think you are correct about the medicine. Once they know they have enough supplies they will promote it as well.


85 posted on 04/12/2020 12:35:12 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: L.A.Justice

This article is stupid.

First, they praise iceland for doing 36,000 tests, 10% of a tiny population
They fault uk for running 316,000 test, 9 times as many.
And 7 deaths out of 1600 positive cases is 0.4%, not 0.004%. 0.4% is still 4 times the flu rate.

On the good side, 10% of their random slection tested positive, a great coverage for a place that wasnt sure they had many at all.


86 posted on 04/12/2020 12:59:43 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: null and void

Yep. I’m still content with multiplying the official US count by 10. So, somewhat above 5 million with an actual CFR of about .3 percent or so, IMO.


87 posted on 04/12/2020 2:08:43 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Wu Flu! (when I feel heavy metal) Wu Flu! (when I'm pins and I'm needles) Wu Flu!)
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To: L.A.Justice

On the other hand, here are the figures for Iceland that have been reported:

Confirmed: 1,701
Deaths: 8
Recovered: 889

Which suggests that more than half have not been sick long enough to have died. We’ll see how that holds up. Best of luck to them.

South Korea had stats slightly lower than that at one point, was widely touted for their comprehensive detection, and since the rate has climbed to over 2%. It’ll still be low, but not the original 0.4% widely touted. 4 weeks after the disease growth was brought to heel, about 20% are listed as still sick.


88 posted on 04/12/2020 3:39:52 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Leep
That sounds real bad. They have “the disease”

How many died from “the disease”?

JHU CSSE 4/12/20 11:46 USA data
			
            Tested 2,688,766  0.82% of total population
         Confirmed   546,874 20.34% of those tested
      Hospitalized    82,809 15.14% of those confirmed
Still Hospitalized    28,804 34.78% of those hospitalized
         Recovered    32,319 59.84% of completed cases
            Deaths    21,686 40.16% of completed cases
Multiply the numbers by whatever you think they will be when everyone has been tested...
89 posted on 04/12/2020 3:44:15 PM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: anton

Huh? 12% fatality rate? I call BS.


Here’s the reported numbers today:

United Kingdom
Confirmed: 84,279
Deaths: 10,612
Recovered: 625
Still sick: 73,024

= 12.6%. fatality/case
0.74% recovered so far
86.65% still sick.

What’s really gross is that the general trend is for that fatality/case rate to rise greatly from this part of the bell curve, as more and more people have it long enough to die from it.

The UK and France have been similar.

France:
Date Cases Dth Recov Dth/Cas Death/Resolved
3/22 16044.. 674 2200 4.200% 23.451%
3/23 20123.. 862 2207 4.283% 28.087%
3/24 22622 1102 3288 4.871% 25.102%
3/25 25600 1333 3907 5.207% 25.438%
3/26 29551 1698 4955 5.745% 25.522%
3/27 33414 1997 5707 5.976% 25.921%
3/28 38105 2317 5724 6.080% 28.814%
3/29 40723 2611 7226 6.411% 26.542%
3/30 45169 3030 7964 6.708% 27.560% 75% of cases *unresolved*
[…]
4/09 118781 12228 23413 10.295% 34.309% 70% of cases unresolved
France appears to be in a second uncontrolled outbreak phase, as unresolved cases have gone up from a low of 68% a week ago back up to 74%.

Here’s Germany compared to its early numbers:

Nordic/Germanic countries from 3/9:
“How is it that Germany has 800 cases and zero deaths? Other countries are similar. Norway, Sweden, hundreds of cases, no deaths.”

Summary:
Germany has 1151 cases, no deaths
Norway, 176 cases, no deaths
Sweden with 203 cases, no deaths
Finland, with 30 cases, no deaths
Denmark, with 35 cases, no deaths

.

Some differences might be because of definitions, however, there are a couple of other things going on:

1) Germany’s initial infected were nearly all athletic young folks who contracted the disease from ski trips to Italy. This group is known to be more able to overcome the disease.

2) Germany’s numbers were *extremely* low at 0.38% as recently as 22 March, but have been changing, possibly A) because the population of infected now more closely matches their population; B) because a lot of the infected were infected at very similar times, they had not gotten past the death lag, and C) because they are so late in the cycle that they are using the more recent treatment regimens.

Currently Germany’s death/cases rate, which was for a while less than 0.1%, and at 0.38% on 22 March, is now up to 2% and rising. It’ll probably end up around 3.4% if the new treatments aren’t dramatically better.

Date _cases _dead _rec _death/cases
3/22 _24873 ___94 __266 0.378% (Interesting number)
3/23 _29056 __123 __453 0.423% 98% unresolved
3/24 _32781 __157 _3243 0.479%
3/25 _37323 __206 _3547 0.552%
3/26 _43938 __267 _5673 0.608%
3/27 _50871 __351 _6658 0.690%
3/28 _57695 __433 _8481 0.750%
3/29 _62095 __541 _9211 0.871%
3/30 _66125 __616 13500 0.932%
3/31 _71808 __775 16100 1.079% 76.5% unresolved
4/01 _77981 __931 18700 1.194%
4/02 _84794 _1107 22400 1.306%
4/03 _91159 _1275 24575 1.399%
4/04 _96092 _1444 26400 1.503%
4/05 100123 _1584 28700 1.582% 70% unresolved
4/06 103374 _1810 28700 1.751%
4/07 107663 _2016 36081 1.873%
4/08 113296 _2349 46300 2.073%
4/09 118181 _2607 52407 2.206%


90 posted on 04/12/2020 3:52:59 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Morpheus2009

The biggest problem is that it’s just a snapshot, you could be perfectly clean at the time of the test then contract the virus the next day.


There’s also the difference between asymptomatic today and asymptomatic next week. One of the US studies showed that that died of the disease, about 5.3% were asymptomatic when they first tested positive. Another study showed that a large proportion of those testing positive initially presented with no respiratory issues, but only digestive/abdominal issues - and that those had a higher incidence of death than those with respiratory issues.


91 posted on 04/12/2020 3:57:31 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: zeestephen

Where does Johns Hopkins hide the “Number of Tests?”
On the right-hand side where “recovered” used to be. You have to use the <> to scroll over. Likewise, they do the same for states on the cases side. (Admin 0, Admin 1, Admin 2)

That’s new.


92 posted on 04/12/2020 4:56:10 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: livius

It was testing to see if they either had it at the time or had had it. Many people had had it and didn’t even know it.


It’s not at all clear that they weren’t also finding antibodies in those who had it at the time, nor whether the asymptomatic had already cleared, or hadn’t had it yet. This disease takes long enough to clear that one would expect antibodies to be created well before even the mid-point of the infection. The article has some interesting points, but overall is quite a mess.


93 posted on 04/12/2020 5:02:51 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: dangus

This piece is so poorly written that it’s impossible to tell. I think I’ll try to find the original source.

But, you could read this in several ways:

1) They did random testing of a statistically meaningful percentage of the population, and have extrapolated from that to show that 50% of the population is infected, or has had the disease (can’t tell which)

2) Or, the author doesn’t bother to say what percentage of the population is positive, but turns to the separate question of symptoms. IE, of that (undisclosed) percentage of the population that tested positive, 50% showed no symptoms at the time of the test.

I think it’s the latter, but it’s impossible to tell from the word salad this writer scribbled out for the Mail.


94 posted on 04/12/2020 5:04:03 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Vaduz

HALF of people have the disease without realizing it.
Some people have stronger genes then other people.


Undoubtedly true. It may also be true that of those they tested, a large portion had no symptoms *yet*. The brief synopsis here does not differentiate those situations.


95 posted on 04/12/2020 5:04:48 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: zeestephen

You know what the Positive Test Rate in New York is?
41% !!
That’s the kind of rate you get from influenza during its peak period.


And it is still just a low bar for self-selected cases, and not random testing.


96 posted on 04/12/2020 5:05:58 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: kearnyirish2

I believe NY/NJ will have high positive results because testing isn’t available to everyone; the testing is being reserved for people with symptoms (so the result is skewed).


Yes. However compared to the rest of the country at 10% of those who thought they had it testing positive, it is a contrast.


97 posted on 04/12/2020 5:07:39 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: null and void

i Was asking about Iceland. And i corrected the post to include /r for rhetorical question.
Otherwise, if 80,000 die it was not worth destroying the economy for. People die everyday and we accept it as part of living.
I’ve had family members die that i am sure if the government would have spent 5 million to save their lives that MIGHT have possibly lived. WHY did YOU let them die? How can you live with yourself?


98 posted on 04/13/2020 4:06:48 AM PDT by Leep (We can go to the grocery store but we can't go to work?)
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To: firebrand

Immune strengtheners can’t do what strong genes do but helps in other ways kind of like vitamins do food or pill only one is the strongest.


99 posted on 04/13/2020 8:25:37 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: lepton

Some in the (media docs) say the tests may be giving wrong results want new test kits,sounds like a lot of speculation going on at this point.
My guess is only the strong survive,look at some of the 100+ year old who make it.


100 posted on 04/13/2020 8:29:35 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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