Posted on 04/05/2020 9:10:15 AM PDT by david1292
more than likely it’s their iodine consumption (which is high) that defeats bacteria, viruses, fungus and cancer. Iodine is an incredible mineral.
Which one do you think it is/ Seriously.
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Donald Trump is not “predicting” anything. He is RELAYING predictions from OTHER PEOPLE, his advisors.
It’s now widely accepted that China’s numbers were completely fabricated. Most likely there were 300,000 to 3,000,000 deaths, but that’s the advantage of a communist dictatorship, the numbers are whatever they say they are.
Not quite the apocalypse. More really bad stuff would be needed for it to be that.
It is, however, pretty bad.
“How about the simple explanation that some peoples immune system is just better than others?”
Maybe. On the other hand, the ‘cytokine storm’ that is implicated as a contributor to the severe respiratory collapse and multi-organ system failure in the most ill patients, is a component of the immune response.
For all of our hubris as human beings, there’s just so much we don’t know.
Here is an interview with NYC morgue workers.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SypvzstNsjc
Has anyone seen on-the-ground evidence of bodies?
There should be photographic evidence from these cities where hundreds are dying.
“covid 19 + Flu deaths are still WAY below Flu deaths alone in the 2017-2018 flu season.”
Really? How about you support that claim with some actual data. If you are talking absolute numbers, that’s a crock since it has been 5 weeks since the first US CCP-19 death, and flu season runs 6 months. So the comparison is bogus. If you are talking per day, CCP-19 daily deaths are running 3-4 times your flu daily deaths in the 2017-2018 season. Flu 2019 is not so different from flu 2017. And CCP-19 has already made up half the difference. In a week it will be chasing flu 2019, in two weeks flu 2019 will be in the rearview. Unless we maintain our mitigation strategy and keep it to brushfires here and there, rather than a nationwide conflagration
Picking the worst year for your baseline is dishonest. It shows you know the truth but don’t want to admit it.
How about we use the most recent pandemic?
In 15 months H1N1 killed 12,439 people in the US. In 5 weeks CCP-19 has killed 9,444 (as of this posting). We are at 0.76 H1N1s. In the month after the first death, H1N1 killed 10 to 15 people in the US. In the month after the first death CCP-19 killed 3,400 people in the US. So something like 225-340 times as many people.
It won’t be this bad, but if you multiply 12,439 by 225 you get 2,798,775 dead over the next 14 months. By 340 you get 4,229,260. That is what the unmitigated body count could look like if we do the FluBro let it rip thing and somehow, miraculously, our HCS doesn’t collapse. But realistically, the HCS would collapse, so would the economy and we’d end up with President Sanders and never, ever recover.
Personally I went through the advertised symptoms one at a time and briefly over a week then nothing more, no pneumonia. That dry cough I have never had before. I ran a low grade fever which, again, I don’t normally do. I get a fever, it’s high. I had a headache of a type like I’ve never had before. In the group of about 25, people I work with, all have experienced similar things. One lady is pretty sick right now and has not been to work for a couple of weeks. The rest of us are okay.
Trump should not say these things like this.
Everything is ‘tremendous’ or ‘amazing’ to him.
Now ‘horrendous’. Too much hyperbole.
We are seeing the stats and they are way lower then the computer models. Trump should look at the models as we look upon global warming/climate change models.
“Assuming the numbers ain’t been cooked.”
The numbers are being cooked.
From what’s been said on here before that the states and the CDC are attributing deaths to CoVID that would otherwise be considered natural or other causes.
Know also that Fed Gov is paying a bounty on Covid-19 cases to states, hospitals, etc. Reckon that has an effect on diagnoses?
Yeah, true. BUT, today we are suppose to be far more medically able to cure, work in labs, make vaccines, etc. to take care of these diseases. I still think our biggest problem with all this was taking stinking Red China’s word on this crap. We should be talking everyone of those countries with a HUGE grain of salt.
Yup, one of the guys I was talking about. Go to Chinatown and party down.
the point of picking the worst (recent) year of flu deaths as a comparison was because people would REMEMBER if the deaths just a couple of years ago were covered.
Barely a word was mentioned about the 61,000 people that died that year!
but now we are being told that if it saves even ONE life we need to keep everything shut down. I am trying to point out the hypocrisy.
This years flu season is nearly over and wasn’t that bad, I have predicted from the start that a year or so from now when we look back and total up the deaths from the FLU + Covid 19, that they will most likely be less than the number who died to the flu alone in the 2017-2018 flu season, which no one cared about.
If people want to be consistent, then they should be arguing that we shut down the entire world every flu season, because it would be “heartless” not to right? I mean... if we save even ONE life by doing so...? I mean, that’s the reasoning being used here.
I’m just not seeing it. He’s a NYer. Yeah, it will be bad there but not everywhere.
“If people want to be consistent, then they should be arguing that we shut down the entire world every flu season, because it would be “heartless” not to right? I mean... if we save even ONE life by doing so...? I mean, that’s the reasoning being used here.”
Not at all. The flu is everywhere, every year. You get exposed to multiple flus every season. But we have vaccines. We have, collectively, a degree of herd immunity. Consequently, only about 20% of the US population gets the flu in any given year. How bad it turns out has a lot to do with which strains are prevalent and how good their guesses are as to which strains will be “popular” that year. And even with all that, our CFR for the flu is, on average, 0.1%. But it is a bullet we cannot dodge as individuals. The flu is everywhere.
Conversely, CCP-19 is NOT endemic. It is a “novel” virus. New. Not previously encountered. So we have no vaccine. We have no immunities. We aren’t even sure how to treat it. The best outcomes of large populations of infected with aggressive mitigation and a first world HCS that did not collapse is about 2% CFR (still not final due to the long recovery time for this disease). That’s the best.
Add in that the expected penetrance of a new population for a virus this contagious is estimated to be anywhere from 50% to 95%. If allowed to spread freely, if we try to burn through it, at 50% penetrance and 2% CFR, we lose 3.4 million people. Assuming our HCS doesn’t crash, if we can in theory distribute the load evenly and magically produce the extra 8 million ICU beds and 24 million regular hospital beds we would need. And, yes, we’d pretty much need them all at once.
But 2% and 50% are extremely optimistic numbers for an infection simply allowed to run amok. For example, the idiots that went to Mexico for spring break from UT, 70 of them, 49 got CCP-19. That’s 70% penetrance. In Italy, where the best-in-Europe HCS collapsed, 1 in 8 cases dies.
So containment, as ultimately futile as it is, is still our best defense while we develop and deploy countermeasures.
If our HCS crashed we’d also lose the economy and we’d really get that Second Great Depression the FluBros are all running around, hair on fire, panicking about. We’d get Sanders or Clinton as President and our grandchildren would be speaking Chinese.
Best battle plan is to fight a rear-guard action against the virus until we are ready to counterattack. That means full deployment of our “war time” HCS and propping up the economy so it can limp along until we defeat the virus. That means we follow Trump’s orders or we end up with another month, or longer, and eventually that next depression becomes a self-fulfilled prophecy.
Then we deal with the Chinese.
well, you honestly sound more reasonable than many I have talked with about this on the “its the end of world” side :P
I more or less agree with you, and don’t mind the social distancing be asked of us, but believe at some point we are going to have to decide we have hidden long enough and we are just going to have to emerge and deal with the deaths that same as we deal with Flu deaths. It’s awful, but eventually we will be forced to do it.
Hopefully by then we will be more prepared.
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