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C.I.A. Hunts for Authentic Virus Totals in China, Dismissing Government Tallies
nytimes.com ^ | April 2, 2020

Posted on 04/03/2020 7:25:35 PM PDT by Helicondelta

The C.I.A. has been warning the White House since at least early February that China has vastly understated its coronavirus infections and that its count could not be relied upon as the United States compiles predictive models to fight the virus, according to current and former intelligence officials.

The intelligence briefings in recent weeks, based at least in part on information from C.I.A. assets in China, played an important role in President Trump’s negotiation on Thursday of an apparent détente with President Xi Jinping of China. Since then, both countries have ratcheted back criticism of each other.

So far, to the frustration of both the White House and the intelligence community, the agencies have been unable to glean more accurate numbers through their collection efforts.

But American intelligence agencies have concluded that the Chinese government itself does not know the extent of the virus and is as blind as the rest of the world. Midlevel bureaucrats in the city of Wuhan, where the virus originated, and elsewhere in China have been lying about infection rates, testing and death counts, fearful that if they report numbers that are too high they will be punished, lose their position or worse, current and former intelligence officials said.

Bureaucratic misreporting is a chronic problem for any government, but it has grown worse in China as the Communist leadership has taken a more authoritarian turn in recent years under Mr. Xi.

No complete picture of the virus exists anywhere because of factors beyond government suppression, including testing shortages, varying measurement standards and asymptomatic infections that could account for up to one in four coronavirus cases.

Iran has obfuscated its struggles with the pandemic.

Italy’s death count of more than 13,000, the most worldwide, leaves out people who died outside hospitals.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commies; cv19; liars; timeline
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1 posted on 04/03/2020 7:25:35 PM PDT by Helicondelta
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To: Helicondelta

Last 3 days USA 88,631 cases 3329 deaths
Last 3 months CHINA 81,639 cases 3326 deaths

China has over 4 times the population of the USA


2 posted on 04/03/2020 7:28:19 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: Helicondelta

There used to be more assets in that part of the world, then Bradley Manning (I think) leaked and many of them were ‘neutralized’.


3 posted on 04/03/2020 7:29:16 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Democratus Partitus Delendus Est)
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To: Helicondelta; BenLurkin; Army Air Corps; SkyDancer; GOPsterinMA
The official position of the State, is that a global nuclear catastrophe is not possible in the Soviet Union.


4 posted on 04/03/2020 7:34:01 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Me and my homies woulda been stackin' bodies by now- G. Washington.)
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5 posted on 04/03/2020 7:35:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator
Chinese state media says 3,600 deaths.

Well that's not great but it's not terrible.

6 posted on 04/03/2020 7:37:25 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Me and my homies woulda been stackin' bodies by now- G. Washington.)
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To: Helicondelta

Heard China had closed its hospitals to any new COVID-19 infected patients.

They only report those who have been hospitalized.

Ergo, they have no more infections in their reported infection rates.

See how efficient socialized medicine has become?


7 posted on 04/03/2020 7:37:26 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Helicondelta

Maybe these guy can finally do something useful.


8 posted on 04/03/2020 7:37:54 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Helicondelta

Well we can certainly trust the CIA.


9 posted on 04/03/2020 7:42:05 PM PDT by JGT
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As long as the CIA shares the information with the DOJ and FBI we will be in good hands.


10 posted on 04/03/2020 7:43:06 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Get your houses in order.)
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To: Helicondelta

I do not care who you are or where you live. CYA is the MO constant, accompanied by pointing finger. ‘Tis but human nature.


11 posted on 04/03/2020 7:49:17 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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I said this 5-6 weeks ago: 250,000+ dead and 10-15 million Chinese infected.

Then, hundreds of thousands of Chinese came home for the Lunar New Year celebration, and returned, infected, to the rest of the world, where they lived and worked as better-paid slaves.

The suddenly-arrived, 40 large, portable crematoria weren’t there just to burn newspapers.

Call it what it is: ***Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Hunan Flu Virus***


12 posted on 04/03/2020 7:51:23 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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[fearful that if they report numbers that are too high they will be punished, lose their position or worse, current and former intelligence officials said. ]


They’re not fearful. They’re certain. Xi Jinping doesn’t like bad news. That’s why Xi Jinping has locked up anyone reporting the truth. Once again, the New York Times makes excuses for a dictator while criticizing Trump for cozying up to him. In reality, Trump is cozying up to Xi (and Putin) the way a car salesman butters up his customers while sticking costly add-ons to the car they just bought and jacking up the interest rate.


13 posted on 04/03/2020 7:54:02 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Helicondelta

Knowing that the Chinese government NEVER tells the truth....

My guesstimate is that there were over 1 million deaths in China, and more than 100 million infected.

That’s my low-ball estimates.


14 posted on 04/03/2020 7:59:20 PM PDT by adorno
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To: carriage_hill

I prefer to call it the Xi Jinping Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Human Flu Virus


15 posted on 04/03/2020 8:00:05 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: rfp1234
They were all part of this program called Treadstone; it got shut down.

They made movies about it.

16 posted on 04/03/2020 8:02:00 PM PDT by Captain Walker
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To: Helicondelta; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
No mention of the 21,000,000 fewer China Mobile users...
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

The false positive rate was 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's or one old fart’s life, it's worth it.

17 posted on 04/03/2020 8:13:18 PM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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Maybe the CCP can account for the 21 million cell phones suddenly gone silent


18 posted on 04/03/2020 8:32:10 PM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning)
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To: Helicondelta

They likely worked with them to release the virus.


19 posted on 04/03/2020 8:43:40 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Be still, and know that I am God...Psalm 46:10)
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To: rfp1234

I think all our spies in China died under Hillary Clinton’s tenure at the state department.


20 posted on 04/03/2020 8:54:25 PM PDT by BillyCuccio (MAGA)
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