"A little bloodletting and some boar’s vomit, and he’ll be fine!"
Posted on 03/08/2020 4:33:27 PM PDT by blam
An infectious diseases expert at the forefront of the search for a coronavirus vaccine said on Friday that it was the most “frightening disease“ he’s ever encountered, and that “war is an appropriate analogy” for what the country is facing, as “50 – 70 percent of the global population” may become infected.
Hatchett, who sat on the White House Homeland Security Council in 2005 – 2006 and was a principal author of the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan, and currently heads the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, told the UK’s Channel 4:
“This is the most frightening disease I’ve ever encountered in my career, and that includes Ebola, it includes MERS, it includes SARS. And it’s frightening because of the combination of infectiousness and a lethality that appears to be manyfold higher than flu.”
He feels this way “because of the combination of infectiousness, and a lethality that appears to be many-fold higher than the flu.“
When asked what concerns him the most about coronavirus, Hatchett said:
“I think the most concerning thing about this virus is the combination of infectiousness and the ability to cause severe disease or death. And we have not since 1918, the Spanish Flu, seen a virus that combined those two qualities in the same way. We have seen very lethal viruses. We have seen certainly, Ebola, or Nipah, or any of the other diseases that CEPI, the organisation that I run, works on – but those viruses had high mortality rates – I mean, Ebola’s mortality rate in some settings is greater than 80%. But they don’t have the infectiousness that this does. They don’t have the potential to explode and spread globally.“
Hatchett added “I don’t think it is a crazy analogy to compare this to World War II.
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Oh no! 5 cases! And absolutely no other information. Just a number. A single digit number. Population of Contra Costa County: 1,049,025. That means that 1,049,020 people don’t have it. So you really don’t know anything at all. Other than all-capsing a single digit number. I guess go ahead and be fearful. It is way more fun.
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Yep 34,000,000 people with the flu of which 20,000 have died young and old AND YET the news hasn’t said ONE WORD about this NOT A WORD!!!
“Hey, I smell smoke.” said a fourth.
“The government’s dangling 8.5 billion out there right now. So, beware of the various professional research entities that will want their share of dollars because of this ‘coming’ dreadful disease.”
Speaking of “professional researh entities”, as I posted on another thread...:
On Kennedy last week her guest was some doctor from Johns Hopkins who was freaking out about COVID, almost hysterical about how nearly apocalyptic it’ll be for America soon. She was using logic; he was spewing over-the-top fear. I’m thinking, “WTF, anyhow?”
I told DH (scientist) about it and he said that he had read that Johns Hopkins either is going to get, or is trying to get, a big chunk of the $8 billion approved by Congress.
Maybe Kennedy never heard, “Never argue with a man whose job depends on not being convinced.”
"A little bloodletting and some boar’s vomit, and he’ll be fine!"
AIDS is a mutating virus, the danger may when ,not if , it mutates to an airborne virus. When that happens it is the end, with a few exceptions, of humanity. We all die.
Uh, have you actually watched someone with a good heart slowly nearly dying of pneumonia / ARDS? Gasping desperately for breath (even tho’ ventilated) for hours. Heart rate 160+ & BP through the roof, again for hours — and that’s after the meds to try to bring ‘em down. (Dr’s had maxed out dosage they said, were afraid more would do the job for the pneumonia.) Ghastly black crud being coughed up. Between that and Ebola, if I’m gonna go, it’d pretty much be flip a coin, for me. If I had the choice, I’d rather be fried by ISIS.
ISIS is deadly but relatively easy to find and destroy. Ebola is deadly but relatively easy to contain. COVID-19 is much less likely to be fatal if contacted, but much much more likely to contacted and infected.
Can we slow COVID-19 enough to not run out of hospital beds and ventilators, which then affects anyone needing hospitalization? That is the million, uh, trillion dollar question.
Got any idea what it is they are spraying?
I don’t disagree. I just think of Ebola as more scary, although right now COVID is more of a threat, especially for those in my age bracket. It’s easy to imagine that hospitals could be overwhelmed.
It’s funny you’d say that...
“Nankai University researchers looked at the genome sequence of COVID-19 and found a section of mutated genes that did not exist in SARS.
“Instead the coronavirus had ‘cleavage sites’ similar to those in HIV and Ebola, which carry viral proteins that are dormant and have to be ‘cut’ to be activated.
“HIV and Ebola target an enzyme called furin, which is responsible for cutting and activating these proteins when they enter the body.
“The viruses trick furin so it activates them and causes a ‘direct fusion’ between the virus and the human cells. COVID-19 binds to cells in a similar way, the scientists found.”
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3820281/posts?page=1
No kidding, I’d much rather take my chances with Corona, than Ebola.
Last night me, my nephew and his wife (she’s a doctor, specialty infectious diseases), attended a Jazz concert at a theater at Columbia University in New York City.
The “rules” are - never touch a public surface with your bare hand, never touch your nose or face with a bare hand, never lick anything you have not washed, wash your hands immediately after you touch anything. If ever infected, keep your hands gloved and wash every surface of your home.
You will not breath in most of any infectious spores if they escape an infected person. They - if they do - will exit that person with a cough or a sneeze and will be contained in the mucous expelled with the cough or sneeze, and that mucous will fall to some surface. They will not die on that surface right away. Latex gloves are much more important than any face mask in public, and the warning to not touch your face or nose with your hand.
Oh, the crowd we joined was great, as was the Jazz. The leader of the Jazz group even thanked everyone - maybe 400, for coming out - in our circumstances today.
My local coffee joint is busy as ever, Home Depot, supermarkets and other retailers are doing fine - could hardly get in or out one retail complex parking lot today.
Italy? They have certain problems of their own, specific to them. Same with South Korea which obviously is not doing anywhere near as well as Taiwan, in spite of similar rates of human interchange with China.
To use a trite 1960s “civil rights” phrase - “We shall overcome”.
covid-19 cases are “reported” or “confirmed”. not estimated figures as per CDC’s annual figures. anyone extrapolating mortality rate from the covid-19 figures is exaggerating/hyping the situation, and adding to the panic. why? for political or commercial reasons perhaps:
also note change in methodology after Donald Trump became President:
CDC: What was the 2017-2018 flu season like?
The 2017-2018 influenza season was a high severity season with high levels of outpatient clinic and emergency department visits for influenza-like illness (ILI), high influenza-related hospitalization rates, and elevated and geographically widespread influenza activity for an extended period. In 2017, CDC began using new methodology to classify seasonal severity and applied the methodology to the 2003-2004 through 2016-2017 seasons. The 2017-18 season was the first season to be classified as a high severity across all age groups...
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm
estimated:
CDC: Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2017–2018 influenza season
The overall burden of influenza for the 2017-2018 season was an estimated 45 million influenza illnesses, 21 million influenza-associated medical visits, 810,000 influenza-related hospitalizations, and 61,000 influenza-associated deaths
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm
estimated:
CDC: Estimated Influenza Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 influenza season
Introduction
For the past several years, CDC has estimated the numbers of influenza illnesses, medical visits, hospitalizations, and deaths...
CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza...
Limitations
These estimates are subject to several limitations...
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
and, if you estimate covid-19:
6 Mar: Gateway Pundit: HHS Assistant Secretary: Estimates of Coronavirus Mortality Rate “Somewhere between .1% and 1%” — Or Similar to a Flu Virus (VIDEO)
by Jim Hoft
On Thursday HHS Assistant Secretary Admiral Brett Giroir told reporters,
“The best estimates now of the overall mortality rate for COVID-19 is somewhere between 0.1% and 1%. That’s lower than you heard probably in many reports … it’s not likely in the range of 2 to 3%.”
This puts coronavirus on par with a typical flu epidemic to something slightly higher — NOT something like a SARS or MERS virus with a much higher mortality rate.
Via NBC News:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/hhs-assistant-secretary-estimates-of-coronavirus-mortality-rate-somewhere-between-1-and-1-or-similar-to-a-flu-virus-video/
The question is was the Wuhan flu an escape from the lab or a dispersion.
Guess who else had one... for 6 fricken months!
Ebola is much worse but only if you contract it. Ebola is a highly infectious disease with a very high CFR but it is not a highly contagious disease.
What that means is that in order to contract Ebola, you have to come in direct bodily contact with infected bodily fluids through a direct route such as a break in the skin or via mucous membranes in the eyes, nose, or mouth directly with blood or body fluids (urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, breast milk, and semen) of a person who is sick with or has died from Ebola.
Unless you have direct and very personal and intimate contact with someone with Ebola such as a family member or a healthcare working not using the highest level of PPE caring for a sick person and coming into direct contact with said bodily fluids or someone preparing a body for burial just after death and not using said precautions, your chances of contracting it are very low. The bodily fluids of an Ebola infected person are highly infectious but the person infected with it is not highly contagious. You will not get Ebola simply by sitting next to someone who has it. Think of how AIDs is transmitted. And a person can only spread Ebola to other people after they develop signs and symptoms of Ebola.
COVID-19 however is highly contagious in the same way that influenza and common colds are contagious. You can catch it by being within 6 feet of an infected person who is coughing or sneezing or by touching surfaces an infected person has recently touched after coughing or sneezing into their hands. It is not as contagious as Measles but may be somewhat like Measles aerosolized and may like colds and influenza be infectious to others while the person spreading it asymptomatic.
I still say this is a globalist effort to down trump, china hates him, the EU hates him, a concerted effort of many western nations worked with the DNC to get trump with collusion, the UN hates him, the democrats and some GOP hate him because he is rocking their criminal syndicate of money laundering thru foreign aid and other get rich quick scams, global warming and of coarse Soros is an integral part of all of this.
A virus pandemic scare promoted by the media arm of the DNC wil damage the trump economy. All this in an election year where the rats don’t have a prayer of a chance of winning unless the burn the barn down. Just my rant but how coinsidental
“Hatchett, who sat on the White House Homeland Security Council in 2005 – 2006”. This, along with the information you shared is all I need to know.
The Deep State is coming out of its warrens to crucify Trump by any means necessary. Does not matter to them what nails they use. Fake dossier or public panic, it is all of use.
What that means is that today, the Spanish flu would likely just be “a bad flu year”. Maybe 60k fatalities in the USA. But, by the same token, COVID-19 with treatments limited to 1918 methods would be much worse than what we’ve seen in Italy (or China, if one believes their numbers).
Now, I do pretty much agree that without examining ALL major factors, comparisons to other diseases (or times) is somewhat irrelevant. What gives you cause to think a Northern Italy-like COVID-19 situation will not evolve here?
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