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To Take On the Coronavirus, Go Medieval on It. Quarantines and restrictive measures served a purpose in the old days. They can now, too.
New York Times ^ | February 28, 2020 | Donald G. McNeil Jr.

Posted on 02/29/2020 3:57:29 AM PST by karpov

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Harsh measures horrify civil libertarians, but they often save lives, especially when they are imposed in the early days.

The best-known modern example is Cuba’s AIDS epidemic. In the 1980s, Cuba and the United States were both hit hard by the AIDS epidemic. In Cuba, the virus first infected thousands of soldiers, doctors and nurses who had served in Africa.

The Castro regime’s response — roundly condemned by other countries — was to make H.I.V. tests mandatory, and to force everyone infected into quarantine camps. The camps were not hellholes: they had bungalows, gardens, theater troupes, medical care, more food than people outside often had, and less homophobia than gay men often faced in macho rural Cuba. But no one could leave, except for brief family visits with an escort whose main job was to make sure that no sex took place.

Meanwhile, the United States took a pro-legal-rights approach. Even offering an H.I.V. test was made illegal without a separate counseling session, which scared many away from testing. Although gay bathhouses were epicenters of transmission, there were long divisive fights over closing them.

After triple therapy was developed in the mid-1990s, most Cuban camps closed.

But the difference in lives saved by choosing brutality over freedom was stark: Cuba’s H.I.V. infection rate was for decades about one-sixth that of the American one. New York City and Cuba have roughly the same population. In the epidemic’s first 30 years, fewer than 2,500 Cubans died of AIDS. Over 78,000 New Yorkers — mostly gay men — did.

As the virus creeps closer, stark choices will arise. The United States cannot shut out the whole world. Even if all air travel were stopped, the virus could reach Latin America or Canada and enter over our land borders.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Cuba; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aids; communityspread; coronavirus; covid19; sarscov2
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The NYT says now that when AIDS broke out in the U.S. that infected homosexuals should have been quarantined. What would it have said then if Reagan had done so?
1 posted on 02/29/2020 3:57:29 AM PST by karpov
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To: karpov
Recall the TB camps and Hospitals last centuries .
My aunt and uncle were in TB camps !
Bring back TB camps.
2 posted on 02/29/2020 4:00:35 AM PST by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists)
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To: karpov

The Norks executed one of their guys that left the quarantine.


3 posted on 02/29/2020 4:08:11 AM PST by caver
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To: karpov

OTOH, we need to be realistic.

We live in a modern, enlightened age and must be appreciative and sensitive toward the concerns of all oppressed and downtrodden of our fellow citizens who primarily reside in urban concentrations.

Think of these cities as giant petri dishes. If there is a pandemic the deaths are likely to be concentrated there.

Think ‘silver-lining’.


4 posted on 02/29/2020 4:08:15 AM PST by Bruiser 10 (Do you boogaloo?)
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To: karpov

Okay, lets close all the tunnels and bridges going into NYC and ban flights from JFK and La Guardia.


5 posted on 02/29/2020 4:09:22 AM PST by LukeL
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To: karpov

Millions of lives could have been saved with HIV Quarantine.


6 posted on 02/29/2020 4:10:07 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: karpov

My God! The Rats want to close our borders now? These people have been bitching about the Orange Meanie for years and now a new cold arises in China and they want to slam the borders down? One thing you have to admire about Rats. They aren’t afflicted with principles.


7 posted on 02/29/2020 4:11:14 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: karpov

The President stands no chance here. The dems will try to nail him no matter what he does. If he HAD shut down schools or shut down airports they would have been critical of that. Since he is playing it with caution, they nail him on that. He just can’t win with them. We have had flu throughout all time and no president ever took the hit for it. WTF?


8 posted on 02/29/2020 4:11:55 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (MAGA! Liberalism is a mental disease)
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To: New Jersey Realist
The President stands no chance here. The dems will try to nail him no matter what he does

Keep your head on man and stop this depressive nonsense. The President hasn't stood a chance since he came down the elevator, yet here he is and here we are. The enemy isn't the democrats. It's the RINOs and weaklings in our own trenches.

Just stand firm and the dems can't do anything much unless someone makes a terrible mistake. Panicking about this serves no use whatsoever.

9 posted on 02/29/2020 4:28:32 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: karpov

Were there any related deaths from blood supply contaminations—a preventive shame?


10 posted on 02/29/2020 4:29:07 AM PST by Scram1
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To: AndyJackson

Re: 9 - thanks for posting some reality.


11 posted on 02/29/2020 4:30:49 AM PST by Fury
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To: karpov

The best way to end the corona virus crisis would be to exterminate the presstitutes at the New York times


12 posted on 02/29/2020 4:30:56 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: AndyJackson

By calling a news conference and presenting all the great minds to whom President Trump delegated various tasks, the press narrative was clearly shown to be hype on a grand scale,


13 posted on 02/29/2020 4:34:15 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter

And a lot of gerbils,too.


14 posted on 02/29/2020 4:36:28 AM PST by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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To: bert

Including delegating public affairs on this to Pence who is much better at communicating calmly and staying on point.


15 posted on 02/29/2020 4:36:49 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: karpov

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16 posted on 02/29/2020 4:37:45 AM PST by sauropod (David Horowitz: “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out.”)
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To: AndyJackson

After the Coming to America King Obama presidency, the concept of delegation by a well seasoned CEO is beyond the comprehension of any Democrat


17 posted on 02/29/2020 4:42:14 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: New Jersey Realist

“The dems will try to nail him no matter what he does. “

Yeah this is the New York Times. So what they’re saying may be true. But I guarantee you that if he were to take their advice... If he were to do anything that even appears like what they’re suggesting... If he were to take the bait, they would immediately denounce him as a horrendous hitlerian tyrant.

Yeah we know how this game is played.


18 posted on 02/29/2020 4:44:04 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (God Bless you Rush Limbaugh... We are with you.)
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To: ncalburt

My grand plan was 10 000 tents with fresh water flown in on Midway Island.

Now it’s too late.

But you know, I would at least consider that the brutal Wuhan ring quarantine worked and file that for future use. We may need it.


19 posted on 02/29/2020 4:46:14 AM PST by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: bert
The best way to end the corona virus crisis would be to exterminate the presstitutes at the New York times

LOL! Perhaps a more practical solution would be to quarantine them for, say, a period of several years at some appropriate facility. It could solve a whole host of problems.

20 posted on 02/29/2020 4:47:50 AM PST by pt17
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