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WSJ: Wages Are Rising, so Government Must Quickly Expand Immigration
Breitbart ^ | 20 Feb 2020 | NEIL MUNRO

Posted on 02/21/2020 7:30:30 PM PST by NobleFree

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To: central_va

I think it is time for these kids to start going to trade schools, welders, electricians, appliance repair, ALL fields that have SO MUCH work they are hard to find!! Another field is installing new windows!! These kids need to learn a trade and start their own business!! These damn college degrees are worthless today and the debt involved is ridiculous!!!!


81 posted on 02/23/2020 4:35:00 PM PST by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

It time to stop meddling in the US labor market by importing LEGAL and ILLEGAL aliens.


82 posted on 02/23/2020 4:36:25 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
LOL What POS you are. Labor is cheap in 2020.

I blame a lot of this on you.

If you could come up with even a slightly more creative insult I'm sure the American people would realize the error of their ways and be willing to pay more for Made In The U.S.A.

For the first time in history.

83 posted on 02/23/2020 5:02:41 PM PST by semimojo
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With very few exceptions the cost of labor is NOT a huge part of the cost of manufacturing. The cost at retail of durable goods would go up maybe 5 cents on the dollar if made in the USA. The biggest exception is textiles and apparel. But even there the costs are only around 10% more. Quality would surely go up if made in the USA.


84 posted on 02/23/2020 5:07:27 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Absolutely agree we have plenty of labor right here in the US the tech companies just don’t WANT to pay for US labor!!! To damn bad look at what the hell they are going through in China right now wonder how much this crisis over there is costing them!! Aside from the fact of their tech secrets being stolen has to be VERY costly!! These damn businesses need to return home!!!


85 posted on 02/23/2020 5:13:11 PM PST by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: central_va
With very few exceptions the cost of labor is NOT a huge part of the cost of manufacturing.

OK. So then what's been the driver of offshoring?

No sane business would go through the expense and hassle for 5%. Do you think every manufacturer is conspiring to take jobs away from Americans?

What's your theory as to why they would do that?

86 posted on 02/23/2020 5:18:20 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
OK. So then what's been the driver of offshoring?

Greed. The 2-3% "savings" by offshoring was enough to "drive" production off shore. Our esteemed "Captains of Industry" would kill their own children to shave off 1/2% on production costs. We are talking pennies on the dollar but when you multiply by millions of units it adds up.

Basically American makers kept design, engineering, marketing and retailing and have given production over to a hostile foreign entity bypassing US labor to save a few pennies on the dollar and all the "trouble" and "hassle" of production.. Sucks really bad. Bad mojo.

87 posted on 02/23/2020 5:28:18 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Do you think every manufacturer is conspiring to take jobs away from Americans?

Absolutely they are. Without a doubt.

88 posted on 02/23/2020 5:29:40 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: semimojo; central_va
Do you think every manufacturer is conspiring to take jobs away from Americans?

No conspiracy - equivalent interests and values ($ > America) lead to equivalent actions.

89 posted on 02/23/2020 5:44:37 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: central_va
Wage and productivity are not as simple as that chart. Business invest in fixed/long term assets which employees in turn use to perform their jobs. Those assets increase productivity. The cost of those assets cannot be spent on wages. There has be an avalanche of new technologies that have become available in the last half century. For most businesses it is not a decision to invest in either employees or technology. Most businesses have to use technology to remain competitive. And of course, there must be employees to use that technology. How skilled the employees must be is dependent on the technology. Skill, knowledge and ability remain the determining factors of wage growth.

I don't know the percentages of skilled vs. unskilled workers are. Or, for that matter, what constitutes a skilled worker. There are plenty of people who use technology and are not anymore skilled than a trained monkey.

Regardless, more immigrants will at most just add to the trained monkey class of workers, but I suspect it would lead to more unskilled and unemployed immigrants dragging down average wages.

90 posted on 02/23/2020 6:21:35 PM PST by RubinBoomer (Please be nice. I am new here. I'm open to doing things the FR way, just need to know.)
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To: central_va
Basically American makers kept design, engineering, marketing and retailing and have given production over to a hostile foreign entity bypassing US labor to save a few pennies on the dollar and all the "trouble" and "hassle" of production.

So then a good patriotic producer should be able to thrive by making goods here and charging 2%-3% more than the competition.

Surely there are enough good red blooded patriots willing to spend that little bit more to buy American.

Or are you the only person left virtuous enough to come up with this idea?

91 posted on 02/23/2020 6:35:43 PM PST by semimojo
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To: central_va
Absolutely they are. Without a doubt.

Why do American owned companies want to take jobs away from Americans?

92 posted on 02/23/2020 6:40:44 PM PST by semimojo
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To: NobleFree
No conspiracy - equivalent interests and values ($ > America) lead to equivalent actions.

And the $ > America is determined by the consumer, not the manufacturer.

93 posted on 02/23/2020 6:43:34 PM PST by semimojo
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To: central_va

LMAO!

There’s an upper limit to wages, as there’s a lower limit. For the same reasons.

Would love to see some of local young overweight slobs working in those fields though.


94 posted on 02/23/2020 7:33:20 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts (M / F) : Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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There’s an upper limit to wages,

BS. There is an upper limit if fascist America floods us with immigrants. If you paid $20.00/hr to pick lettuce there would be plenty of Americans showing up. And that head of lettuce would only cost $.25/head in the grocery store.

95 posted on 02/24/2020 3:35:02 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: semimojo
Why do American owned companies want to take jobs away from Americans?

Wow, for the third time to shave off 2-3% on production cost. Get it yet? or do I have to repeat myself.

96 posted on 02/24/2020 3:37:08 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: semimojo
So then a good patriotic producer should be able to thrive by making goods here and charging 2%-3% more than the competition.

No patriotism needed or expected from traitors so.... you FORCE all producers to compete for workers from the same domestic labor supply. How do you do that? You do that with a uniform across the board import tariff of say, 20% to start. Then the USA needs to stop all LEGAL immigration to restrict the labor supply. Then wages will truly come up to first world levels. Birthrates will also come up as life becomes less miserable.

The other choice is socialism.

97 posted on 02/24/2020 3:44:14 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: semimojo
And the $ > America is determined by the consumer, not the manufacturer.

Or so you claim.

98 posted on 02/24/2020 5:27:35 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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