Posted on 01/24/2020 9:51:30 AM PST by Zhang Fei
China's communist rulers draw on a deep well of public acquiesence -- partly due to control of the internet, no free press and a brutally efficient security apparatus.
"I can't imagine there would be too many countries that would be able to do something on this scale as quickly as China has done," Kamradt-Scott said.
Even so, Kamradt-Scott warned a lockdown that extends for a week or more would produce "growing levels of discontent and frustration".
- Quarantine 'illusion' -
Kamradt-Scott said that, even though the virus would inevitably spread, the quarantine appeared designed to buy authorities time to put in place other measures.
He cited China's plans to build a 1,000-bed hospital in Wuhan in just 10 days.
Zi, from the S. Rajaratnam School, also said there was some hope the quarantines would have a level of success in containing the outbreak.
"I believe it is possible given China's expertise in this area of population control, or urban control," Zi said.
Yet the history of quarantine suggests controls will be far from watertight.
The concept emerged in Venice in the 14th century, where ships arriving at the city state from infected ports were held offshore for 40 days.
Over the centuries the US attempted quarantines to combat yellow fever, European nations tried to subdue cholera outbreaks, and several West African nations sealed off townships to hem in Ebola in the last decade.
Quarantine is "purely an illusion", said Bruno Halioua, a historian of medicine at the University of Paris IV.
"Quarantine has never worked. Each time, there have been problems."
And after seeing the situation in Wuhan first-hand, Guan Yi of Hong Kong University shared an equally pessimistic outlook.
"I've never felt scared," Guan said. "This time I'm scared."
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Where are the antibiotics manufactured? How great is the stockpile? Foreign sourced?
It is really broad spectrum:
" In this report, we demonstrate for the first time the antiviral potential of ARB against Ebola virus (EBOV), arenaviruses (Tacaribe virus), and herpesviruses (HHV-8). We also confirm ARB antiviral activity against poliovirus and HBV. "
China has this antiviral also, but like Tamiflu, it has to be administered early on, which would be unlikely given the extremely rapid development of symptoms after a fairly long incubation period.
Let’s say that there was an Apple Factory in one of those cities. All of a sudden it stops making iPhones. You don’t think Apple Stock would be impacted?
I am being hypothetical. But, if it gets wider it could have an impact.
Not so much here...but certainly there.
There are no applicable antibiotics. This is a virus.
I tend to agree with you
While WHO reports the fatality rate at 4%
initial reports from Chinese authorities originally stated fatality rate at 2%.
Although the Chinese authorities are not known for candor, or timeliness,
and tend to minimize their conditions until it seems out of control(ie.:SARS, pork virus)
Comments made tend to indicate that the incubation period until 'full-blown'
seems to be an incubation period of between 8 -14 days.
Also not known is whether other medical pre-conditions may have contributed
to the initial fatality rate, such as diabetes, blood infections, cancer treatments,
suppressed immune system, prior bouts of pneumonia, etc., etc.
Due to the unknown and novel characteristics of the virus, there is little known about
at what stage does it becomes communicable, and infect others.
Since this is an air-borne disease, minimizing contacts with others and avoiding groups
with either known, or unknown viral exposure, seems to be prudent.
Comrade-Scott is more concerned that other countries don’t have the same level of control over people that the commie party in China does
N95 masks work quite well also. Somewhere in my collection I have a few N100 or P100, forget the designation, but because the viral particle is surrounded by sputum — it is not naked — the N95 is still quite effective.
You would be surprised at the high level of automation in many of Chinese factories. The threat isn’t so much products coming from China. The threat is people around the world getting sick and not traveling.
True.
However if antibiotic production ceases because the factory workers are sheltering in place or dead...and then you need an antibiotic for something else...then what?
You make a great point. China can certainly control their people.
The post relates to antibiotics for use treating secondary infections in viral compromised patients. The U.S. could face a run on available supplies, leaving no conventional resources to treat patients that survive a viral infection, yet linger in a weakened state and subject to secondary infections.
NEW YORK - Four people were under isolation Friday in New York State as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention test for the novel coronavirus, announced Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/4-people-in-nys-under-isolation-as-cdc-tests-for-coronavirus
Ok, sorry, I used the standard FR protocol of starting at the end.
Took your suggestion and did an image search .. Wow !
You can get rid of that. Just gargle with Hysterine
I don’t think this virus has reached the logarithmic phase as of yet. The mortality rate is approaching 3% which is significant but a X factor of less than 1000. If it maintains this mortality rate with a high morbidity rate we will be looking at a true pandemic episode.
It’s a virus. Antibiotics are for bacterial infections.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
from here:
https://systems.jhu.edu/research/public-health/ncov/
if you click on hubei and look at the numbers, the recovered barely outpace the dead.
not encouraging. hopefully they’re vastly underreporting the recovered...
I wonder if it is as bad as they are suggesting that a restriction would be put on overseas flights. Let’s hope the businesses care for the safety their employees.
Spread is probably going to turn out to be droplet, not airborne, but we'll see.
There's two new cases in France, one Bordeaux, one Paris.
All Western cases (so far) have travelled to Wuhan. If we start to see tertiary cases we will have to do more.
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