(PS...I was otherwise engaged in a useful thing today...under the Prius doing engine and transmission oil change...280K miles on original main battery)
Posted on 01/23/2020 6:56:43 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Senate Impeachment Trial LIVE - day 3
And, since we can't go back and impeach him, then the only equitable thing to do is to not hold President Trump responsible for not giving Ukraine military aid.
But, he did.
My impression is that there was a delay because President Trump wanted to make sure that the military aid would go to the correct place. If he didn't do that and the aid was sent immediately to the wrong hands, Ukrainians would not have received aid at all. Apparently obama had sent some aid but had it delivered to Poland so the Ukrainians had to go pick it up...and then there's the issue of blankets and meals sent by 0.
Fact is, Ukies received aid before the deadline.
-PJ
While I generally agree with what you said, I'd say the difference with Planned Parenthood is that they take federal funding of taxpayer money, while the others are for-profit companies that live or die by consumer demand, profitability, and brand reputation.
If taxpayers paid for guns, or cigarettes, or political opposition research, I'd say they'd have a good basis to complain.
-PJ
Sorry. I already chose the perfect word.
Difference noted, but Planned Parenthood is just as capable of violating laws as a for-profit company. I have already agreed that my opinion that Crowdstrike has sinned does not give me the authority to punish that company. Who knows, maybe Loretta Lynch or Brennan told Crowdstrike they were covered. If Crowdstrike is guilty of crimes, Brennan and company should be in greater danger. I believe that the “IC assessment” (that Crowdstrike contributed to) was shameful.
Senator Richard Burr (R-N.C.): Did the FBI request access to those devices to perform forensics on them?
Comey: [coughs] Yes, we did.
Burr: Were you given access to do the forensics?
Comey: We were not. A highly respected private company got access and shared with us what they saw there.
Meanwhile it is well known that Crowdstrike was connected with Perkins Coie and the Atlantic Council.
(PS...I was otherwise engaged in a useful thing today...under the Prius doing engine and transmission oil change...280K miles on original main battery)
Rudi just tweeted this —. With following his Twitter account over the next week or so since the impeachment case seems to be so focused on his actions as POTUS private attorney.
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Starting tomorrow we will begin cracking through the Swamp media’s cover-up of TOP level Democrats selling their public office, resulting in multi-millions, in Ukraine and the conspired attempt with foreign officials to “destroy” the Trump candidacy. ..”
https://twitter.com/rudygiuliani/status/1220494487375491073?s=21
Obviously, Crowdstrike has been providing a service that people wanted (Democrats and Republicans). I didn't go so far as to say that Crowdstrike violated laws (since they are an oppo research company chartered to find dirt in a dirty world), but if they did it would likely be in the arena of obstruction of justice or lying to the FBI. They were a cutout through Perkins Coie, so it's possible that Clinton funding was laundered through Perkins Coie in an attempt to keep the Clintons at arms-length from Crowdstrike (in this sense, I'm not using "laundered" to mean converting illegal money into legal money, but passing it through a shell holder to hide the true source).
Now, the hand-offs matter. Did Crowdstrike block the FBI? I don't think so. I think the Clinton camp stonewalled the FBI and hired Crowdstrike to make an analytical report. So, was it Crowdstrike that obstructed justice or the Clinton campaign?
Also, did Crowdstrike give the report to the Clinton campaign, Perkins Coie, or the FBI directly? If Crowdstrike handed the report to the campaign or Perkins Coie and that entity gave it to the FBI, then is Crowdstrike guilty of lying to the FBI or is the person who gave the report to the FBI the guilty party?
Believe me, I know that Crowdstrike isn't an angel here, nor are they stooges or dupes; they knew exactly what they were doing and what part of the chain-of-custody they played in the whole scheme. Does that make them accessories to a crime? Remember now, that we're talking about high-powered DC lawyers, long-term military/intelligence contractors, spouses of DoJ senior management, and the Clintons. These people knew exactly what they were doing, and exactly how the MSM, the Democrats, the Republicans, and the people, would react if discovered.
Until they got caught up in the Russia collusion hoax and the Deep State coup, were they just a legit, but dark, company in a dirty business, dealing with dirty people who supplied dirty dirt on dirty people?
To compare it to its most benign public service (setting aside the high-stakes people they deal with), is it really any different from a private investigator hired to find out if a spouse is cheating, or if a business associate is embezzling, or if a competitor is stealing intellectual property? Does that make the private investigator illegitimate because they deal in dirt?
I'm going to push the envelope now with my comparisons. Could the Crowdstrike situation be like a PI who starts out investigating a cheating spouse but then slowly finds himself caught up in a murder plot, or have I been watching too many old noir detective movies and TV shows?
-PJ
Perhaps Obama delivered the aid to Poland so that it would be a lot easier to check that the right people were picking it up. I would imagine it would be easier to check this kind of thing somewhere else than in a war zone. On the issue of blankets and meals, if it was MRES, it was probably important to be able to supply the front line troops who in fact were engaged in front line warfare, often in bad weather conditions where conventional cooking was probably rather iffy. Moreover, I was researching this topic a few days ago and found that various kinds of high tech, advanced equipment were also provided by Obama which in fact reduced casualties from over 40% to less than 20% and was very appreciated by the Ukraine military. It also appears that the missiles that President Trump sent are being kept in western Ukraine, nowhere near where they can be used against tanks in eastern Ukraine. What is that about? Is it to keep them safe, or to keep Putin happy, or something else? I have a son with over 21 years in Special Forces, and we talk about this kind of stuff, so I don’t necessarily accept the easy explanations.
You are not being precise. You are more complete and that is good. But precision would demand the explanation that Crowdstrike was perhaps central to the Russian collusion ihoax in 2016.
Until they got caught up in the Russia collusion hoax and the Deep State coup, were they just a legit, but dark, company in a dirty business, dealing with dirty people who supplied dirty dirt on dirty people?
No, they did not get caught up, they were part of it near the start in the spring of 2016. Their business model led them to track Russian hackers which is perfectly fine for a deep state business model. They could have contracted to NSA although probablly were not the right calibre. But their deep state business model turned out to be much more encompassing than usual. Compensation was easy to get by funneling sympathetic venture capital in their direction.
I think both of us are trying to search for the truth, each in his own way. I confess that I have an extreme distrust of all things that Hillary does, and that distrust does extend to Crowdstrike. But I encourage you to ask questions, even if that can make you a target on FR. If we become members of an echo chamber, the truth we are seeking might escape.
Are you mixing Crowdstrike with Fusion GPS? Crowdstrike is a $13B Cyber Security company, publicly traded on the NASDAQ exchange. When the DNC was "hacked", they paid Crowdstrike to perform the forensic investigation rather than turn the case over to the FBI. The forensic report was forwarded to the FBI by the DNC. At a minimum, there was information on the server that the DNC desperately wanted to hide from the FBI. The question is whether the DNC/Crowdstrike lied or withheld information in the report. Most of us assume they did, but we likely will never know the full truth.
Fusion GPS is the scummy opposition research company, and Perkins Coie was the bagman for Hillary and the DNC.
Great point worth repeating as I suspect we will hear a lot about BOTH Fusion GPS & Crowdstrike —. While very different organizations I suspect many of their clients have an open account with BOTH organizations and likely they DO work together to support their mutual clients
There is so much overlap and intermingling among those who actually control our country, it’s scary.
Sorry.
-PJ
I would have gone with:
While the rest of us are disgusted by it. I think the word covers it perfectly.
Convicted traitors are hanged, spies are shot, saboteurs are subject to summary execution.
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