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Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate
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Posted on 12/19/2019 4:16:08 PM PST by Bigtigermike

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To: Dacula

He was formally impeached when the House managers impeached him in the Senate.

Clinton was acquitted because Democrats wanted him acquitted.


41 posted on 12/19/2019 4:48:08 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: jjotto

Thank you


42 posted on 12/19/2019 4:48:32 PM PST by Dacula (Epstein did not kill himself.)
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To: olesigh
"you must have missed the vote in the house yesterday. The president was clearly impeached. you may have suffered an injury. See your doctor for further examination."

Wrong. Until the formal documents presenting the articles are given to the Senate, no impeachment exists. Vote or no vote...irrelevant.

To use a simple example, you don't own your car until a signed contract changes hands, no matter how many handshakes took place.

43 posted on 12/19/2019 4:49:22 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: olesigh

Breitbart

House Democrats voted to impeach President Donald Trump Wednesday, making Trump the third president in American history to be impeached by the House of Representatives.


44 posted on 12/19/2019 4:50:43 PM PST by olesigh
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To: Bigtigermike
The House impeachment vote is being weaponized as a political/election tool, nothing more.

If the Articles are not passed onto the Senate in a timely manner, then the Executive Branch (President Trump) must appeal and exert their Constitutional right for a speedy trial.

Supreme Court must fast track this because the violation concerns critical Constitutional exegesis that affects the next Presidential election.

This crap Pelosi and the dems are trying is the reason why Hamilton argued for Article III of the Constitution. Forget the Congressional created District/circuit courts, this is about the fabric of our nation and our nation's law.
45 posted on 12/19/2019 4:50:52 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Bigtigermike

Absolutely true. I thought the same thing and hoped Trump would shout loudly that he isNOT impeached until the articles are filed, period.


46 posted on 12/19/2019 4:50:54 PM PST by richardtavor
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To: olesigh; knarf; goldstategop; pilgrim; ptsal; VideoDoctor

Why your sick desire/frisson for the impeachment tag?


47 posted on 12/19/2019 4:53:30 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: pilgrim

I think we need to change the semantics. Instead of saying “I hate this”, we could say “I impeach this”. Or instead of saying “I have a disagreement”, we could say “I have an impeachment”. If I impeach my alarm clock in the morning, it’s not because I destroyed it. It’s because I don’t like what it does.


48 posted on 12/19/2019 4:53:53 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Bigtigermike

I want to see the Skank Pelousy drag this out till the next house if voted in the next election.

A new house means the articles are null and void if they are not sent to the senate.

Just make GD sure the gop wins the majority then.

A new congress is not bound by prior congresses.


49 posted on 12/19/2019 4:54:02 PM PST by crz
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To: olesigh

“That constitutes impeachment, the passing of the articles.”

For what it’s worth here’s dictionary.com’s definition, which indicates that an impeachment is an accusation:

1. to accuse (a public official) before an appropriate tribunal of misconduct in office.

2. Chiefly Law. to challenge the credibility of: to impeach a witness.

3. to bring an accusation against.

4. to call in question; cast an imputation upon: to impeach a person’s motives.

5. to call to account.


50 posted on 12/19/2019 4:54:29 PM PST by cymbeline
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To: olesigh

Washington Times

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/18/donald-trump-impeached-house-party-line-vote/


51 posted on 12/19/2019 4:57:24 PM PST by olesigh
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Impeachment is simply a charge that the House levels. It still requires the Senate for a conviction of that charge. I still think the whole thing is Democrat revenge for the impeachment of Clinton.

As I understand it; impeachment in the House is the same as when a prosecutor 'indicts' someone in front of Grand Jury which they say is pretty much always approved. In this case the House is supposed to present solid evidence of wrongdoing; either a crime or something so abhorent to congress and the people that it then moves to the Senate. Obviously that didn't happen in this case. No wrongdoing was found at all. Just things the radical dems don't like like banning transgenders in the military; a good and prudent call.

Then the person is arraigned and a trial date is set which would be like the Senate deciding on how or if this will go forward with impeachment (a trial). Then the judge, prosecutor, and of course, the defendant will decide on a trial, a plea agreement, and/or pleads guilty or not guilty. The Senate may call for a vote on whether to proceed or dismiss the charges as unfounded which of course is what is happening here.

If it moves forward then evidence is presented and the defendant, President Trump's defense team, is then free to call witnesses to disprove the House's charges which in this case would be as easy as buttering toast.

What I would really like to see is the 229 representatives who voted for impeachment without any facts, proof, or grounds; to be censured permanently. None of them are fit to hold office but since they can't be fired; they can be neutered and spayed.

52 posted on 12/19/2019 4:57:25 PM PST by Boomer ('Democrat' is now synonymous with 'corrupt')
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To: richardtavor
"...Trump would shout loudly that he isNOT impeached until the articles are filed, period."

Trump is playing into the dems game if he argues this.

If you were convicted by a grand jury for something you did not do and needed to clear your innocence, would you want a speedy trial to clear your name or argue process while your employer/customers think long and hard if they should retain your services? Read Amendment V1. Trump has been accused/indicted (Spare me the schematics because in the public eye, the dems impeached him), of committing a high crime and misdemeanor.

Why would you want that in the background going into the election season?
53 posted on 12/19/2019 4:58:27 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Boomer

I would like them all to undergo drug testing.


54 posted on 12/19/2019 4:59:32 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: olesigh

From Wikipedia:

Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official definitively from office; it is similar to an indictment in criminal law, and thus it is essentially the statement of charges against the official. Whereas in some countries the individual is provisionally removed, in others they can remain in office during the trial.

Once an individual is impeached, they must then face the possibility of conviction on the charges by a legislative vote, which is separate from the impeachment, but flows from it, and a judgment which convicts the official on the articles of impeachment entails the official’s definitive removal from office.


55 posted on 12/19/2019 5:01:10 PM PST by olesigh
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To: Telepathic Intruder

I’d like to see Democrats undergo psychological testing.


56 posted on 12/19/2019 5:02:02 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: knarf; goldstategop; pilgrim; ptsal; VideoDoctor

sorry, that was to olesigh


57 posted on 12/19/2019 5:02:11 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Dacula

Did the vote get over to the Senate?
You may want to read the history.


58 posted on 12/19/2019 5:04:21 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: rollo tomasi

What
About a sealed indictment
Let’s muddy the waters more!


59 posted on 12/19/2019 5:08:55 PM PST by rolling_stone (no justice no peace no epstein no justice)
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To: olesigh

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats


60 posted on 12/19/2019 5:09:31 PM PST by wattsgnu
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