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POINTS TO PONDER The Senate represents states, not people. That’s the problem
vox.com ^ | Oct 13, 2018 | Hans Noel w/ research assistant Julia Vitter

Posted on 12/17/2019 3:57:27 PM PST by Liz

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1 posted on 12/17/2019 3:57:27 PM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
The relative authority of the state and the national government is contested, but the states retain something.

States were supposed to retain everything — everything except those very few, limited powers expressly provided for the federal government.

2 posted on 12/17/2019 4:01:48 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Liz

Democrats want to neuter the Senate because it protects small, rural states.

They are for the tyranny of the majority.


3 posted on 12/17/2019 4:03:26 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Liz

Don’t like the rules, change them.

And good luck with that.


4 posted on 12/17/2019 4:04:01 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: Liz

Learn To Code.


5 posted on 12/17/2019 4:04:41 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Liz

The author does not like the design of the Constitution.

There is a process, called the Amendment process.

I cherish federalism and the checks and balances.

They were not put in place merely to give the states power, but to allow the states to check the power of the Federal government, and the majority of people.

Tyranny by the majority is still tyranny.


6 posted on 12/17/2019 4:05:34 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Julia needs to learn to code.


7 posted on 12/17/2019 4:05:51 PM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: grey_whiskers

Democrats want totalitarian power.


8 posted on 12/17/2019 4:05:57 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: FoxInSocks

Correct. And since the 17th Amendment, states have not had enough power. The author has it completely upside down.


9 posted on 12/17/2019 4:07:09 PM PST by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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To: Liz
I knew this was coming next, these leftists are so evilly predictable.
10 posted on 12/17/2019 4:07:42 PM PST by cowboyusa (America Cowboy Up)
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To: Liz

Kill The 17th
&
The 16th Too

11 posted on 12/17/2019 4:07:43 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Liz
The Senate represents states, not people. That’s the problem

Well, that was the original design. However, since the people now elect Senators, they are more beholden to their constituency, rather than the State.

So his premise is practically, not ideologically, incorrect.

12 posted on 12/17/2019 4:07:45 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Liz

Article really says nothing. They don’t like representatives from states making decisions. Maybe we should have a nationwide referendum on every decision? Obviously unworkable.
Just because representatives represent fewer people than senators still doesn’t mean they always reflect the popular will even in their own districts. Much less the common good.
Guess we shouldn’t have a president - that’s a single person representing every single citizen!
Boy those founding fathers sure were dumb! Epic /s


13 posted on 12/17/2019 4:08:02 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Liz

Whatever.


14 posted on 12/17/2019 4:08:49 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Liz
Thou shall bow down to the wishes of the coastal liberals. We will continue whining until said wishes are granted.

Just look towards California to see how well their system works - collapsing bridges, collapsing spillways, breaks in water delivery systems, criminal raids from sanctuary cities into the surrounding areas. These are the fruits of the Reynolds v Sims decision changing the California senate from representing the various areas of California to being apportioned by population.

It was a mistake to change the senate from being chosen in a manner decided by the states to one of popular vote.

In the end, Democrats are returning to familiar territory - wanting the slaves back on the plantation to work the harvests and provide for their needs; their voice is less than liberal’s voices, and must be squelched.

I wonder how loudly they will scream if Blacks don't give them 98% of their vote in 2020...

15 posted on 12/17/2019 4:08:52 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: ShadowAce

Yeah. It ain’t a glitch, it’s a feature. ‘Rats need to learn to live with it.


16 posted on 12/17/2019 4:09:33 PM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: FoxInSocks

If you shouldn’t represent a state because it’s not “democratic” enough, then we shouldn’t have a President.

And what about that crazy unelected Supreme Court? Guess mob rule would be better.

Didn’t those founding fathers think of any of this stuff? /s


17 posted on 12/17/2019 4:11:39 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Sirius Lee
Correct. And since the 17th Amendment, states have not had enough power. The author has it completely upside down.

Yes. Young people have no clue, that the 17th eroded states' rights. It used to be that people in a state elected others who selected state senators, to truly represent their state's interests. That died with the 17th. Now senators are voted in by people representing a culture having nothing to do with their state, and those senators vote in lock-step with that culture. The Democrat culture is particularly nasty in not representing a state's interests.

18 posted on 12/17/2019 4:12:33 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Liz

Trump won 32 states. That means 64 Senators.


19 posted on 12/17/2019 4:12:47 PM PST by griswold3 (Democratic Socialism is Slavery by Mob Rule)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Don’t like the rules, change them.


Ah, but that rule is one they cannot change—at least under the Constitution. Article 5 (the Amendments article) says that no amendment can alter states’ equal representation in the Senate. “...no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.”

So, Hans & Julia, don’t like the Senate, write a new Constitution, and try and get the people to back it. I suppose you can get rid of that pesky 2nd Amendment while you’re at it.


20 posted on 12/17/2019 4:13:17 PM PST by hanamizu
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