Juul Says Its Focus Was Smokers, but It Targeted Young Nonsmokers

NYTimes ^ | Nov. 23, 2019 | Julie Creswell and Sheila Kaplan

[Drango]

In the face of mounting investigations, subpoenas and lawsuits, Juul Labs has insisted that it never marketed or knowingly sold its trendy e-cigarettes and flavored nicotine pods to teenagers. ~snip The Juul, which looked unlike any other e-cigarette and delivered a far more powerful nicotine punch, ~snip

[jospehm20]

I am not. Businesses should be trying to expand. It is what they do. In my state the age to buy vape stuff is 21. I think it was a stupid, knee jerk reaction to raise it from 18. I suspect they don’t arrest kids under 21 who get them, which they should do. Kids can join the Army at 17 and are not able to vape, drink or smoke until they turn 21, but they are equipped with automatic weapons and can vote and die for this country. Either people are adults at 18 or they are not, if not raise the voting and military age to 21. I personally don’t care if some kids get vape stuff. Kids manage to get drugs and alcohol too. Kids will break the law to do stuff they want to do, it has always been that way. The gubmint needs to stay out of this just because everything they “fix” gets screwed up beyond all belief. Every one of the people who died in the current vaping “crisis” was using black market cartridges or juice. The only thing that will result from a gubmint crackdown is more black market juice and cartridges, more illness and deaths and more hassle for the people who legally vape.

[mylife]

Amen.

[BookmanTheJanitor]

But abortions and sex changes for teens are cool....right NY Times? (Pukes)

[Reno89519]

A strict 21-year minimum age and zero advertising would be good start. Consider that by almost all studies and reports, no 21-year old or older ever newly starts smoking, which I am sure is similar to e-cigarettes. Sure, this kills their future market but, seriously, are you promoting addicting a future generation of Americans to addiction?

[jimfree]

And NYT targets morons.

[jospehm20]

I am seriously promoting the gubmint stay out of this and many other things they can only make worse. I don’t think buying a Juul is more serious than joining the military or voting. Either an 18 year old is an adult or not. We need to make up our minds. I was one of those 17 year olds who joined the military and it always seemed stupid to me that I could do grownup Army stuff but not civilian grown up stuff. I am much more worried about the Psychiatric drugs that kids are prescribed than I am if they vape or not.

[Bob434]

did you see the part where romeny- sitting on Pres Trump’s right side, wouldn’t listen to anything the pro vaping side had to say and just kept staying over and over- ‘it’s all about the kids’? Bet he approves of legalized pot though- Juul had just got done saying that they had stopped selling all flavors- but that didn’t even phase romney- Kids are going to smoke- whether vaping is legal or not- apparently romney would rather kids be forced to buy the much more dangerous tobacco cigarettes than to use vaping which is safe with hte notable exception of the THC products laced with Vit E

[Celerity]

The government wants people to smoke. The taxation should make that pretty clear.

The government is the world’s biggest dope dealer.

[CJ Wolf]

Thanks!

[wiseprince]

https://youtu.be/wcaXaQIpChQ

Don’t get informed by media snippets. That’s the author of fake news

[wiseprince]

Assuming these are less potent than cigarettes it’s difficult to understand banning it. I understand that they don’t want kids to buy it and the ones that are flavored are targeted at kids. To me, age restrictions and behind the counter made sense to me. The mothers in the room are well intentioned but I don’t think an outright ban takes enough things into consideration.

[wiseprince]

Juul is playing a shady game. That’s my take on that.

[Zhang Fei]

[did you see the part where romeny- sitting on Pres Trump’s right side, wouldn’t listen to anything the pro vaping side had to say and just kept staying over and over- ‘it’s all about the kids’?]

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Trump’s FDA guy, Scott Gottlieb, who mercifully quit recently, is now trying to continue his crusade against nicotine while ensconced in the private sector. It’s bizarre that nicotine is now being demonized while weed is increasingly being pushed towards full legalization at the federal level. I don’t know if Gottlieb was yet another of Kushner’s met him at temple hare-brained picks, but the guy is certifiable.

[Drango]

>”Trump’s FDA guy, Scott Gottlieb,”

in 2015 Gottlieb served on the Board of Directors of Kure, Corp, a provider of e-juices and vaping pens

://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-19/vaping-venture-poses-potential-conflict-for-trump-s-fda-nominee

[Mears]

Nicotine gum was started in Sweden ....nothing to do with our government.

[Sacajaweau]

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/want-quit-smoking-fda-approved-products-can-help

[SunkenCiv]

• Heads Should Roll at CDC after Botched Vaping Investigation

[thoolou]

As a 10 year vaper who escaped cigarettes through it, I distrusted Juul, and all of the convenience store e-cigs from the beginning. They're the trans-gender of vaping...

Good information here. Watched the whole committee meeting live there.

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[thoolou]

I hate doing html on a phone.

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