Posted on 10/19/2019 5:22:55 PM PDT by naturalman1975
Late yesterday – just before the midnight deadline stipulated by 'wrecker' MPs – a total of three letters were due to be sent from the Government to Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council.
The first was the letter demanded by the Benn Act, which asks the EU to delay Brexit beyond the October 31 deadline – but not signed by Boris Johnson – using the exact wording specified in the legislation.
The second was a covering letter, written by Sir Tim Barrow, the UK's Permanent Representative in Brussels, which made clear that the first letter was from Parliament, not the Government.
And the third was a letter from Mr Johnson, which was also sent to the leaders of the other 27 EU nations, in which he disavowed the first letter by making clear that he does not want any delay to Brexit.
In it, the PM said any further hold-up would be 'deeply corrosive', and would 'damage the interests of the UK and our EU partners'.
He said UK would continue to ratify the deal and urged Brussels to do the same.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
maybe this is the laundry list (going quickly right now, apologies):
The Revised Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration: a briefing note
The Bruges Group ^ | 17 October 2019 | Robert Oulds and Benjamin Wrench Barrister
Posted on 10/19/2019, 5:34:59 AM by Mount Athos
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You do realise that this was widely anticipated, even here on fr. The other 27 countries will approve an extension to Dec 15th contingent on the Boris deal being passed.
In the meanwhile more British businesses will move due to the uncertainty.
This is killing for business
I would suggest you read even fr posts from after the Benn act was passed. This action was anticipated.
Technically he has asked for an extension and it will be considered as such. An extension to mid December just before Christmas recess will be contingently granted dependent on the boris deal being passed
I would suggest you read even fr posts from after the Benn act was passed. This action was anticipated.
Technically he has asked for an extension and it will be considered as such. An extension to mid December just before Christmas recess will be contingently granted dependent on the boris deal being passed.
The worry is that this could lead to uk legislation to cancel Brexit
Since the start of this year at least, there are no fence sitters.
The stances are still 50ish 50ish
Played?
How do you make that out?
A prime minister sends an official request for an extension. The rest is personal opinion from the person holding the prime ministership.
The 27 countries would contingently approve an extension, lobbing the ball back to the UK where it belongs.
The big picture imho is that the new world order types, aka deep staters, believe in nullifying national law in favor of anti-democratic, trans national institutions (governments and multinational corporations).
Thus the EU is an instrument of the new world order types, being leveled against the UK as a nation state whose existence is a primary target of all new world order types / deep staters.
The deep staters are constantly playing the UK voters by giving infinite extensions after telling them they will give no more extensions. This is because the EU benefits more from having the UK in the EU than out; conversely, the UK is (long term) weakened (at least in terms of sovereignty, freedom, self rule) by being in the EU and stronger if it is out.
That is not to say the UK is perfect once out of the EU, but that it is better off outside than in from the perspective of self rule. I’m considering self rule more important than economics in the long term since if the middle class loses self rule, the economics will eventually become moot to the middle class of a given nation state.
I think that technically the signed letter is the official one from the head of the government—the other letter, while using words required by parliament which, in consultation with the sovereign, determines who heads the government, is not from the government.
That said, this is my own opinion which is not nearly as informed as I would like—what is the opinion of Brussels likely matters most, and while in sorting out the pieces after Oct. 31 other opinions likely will matter, I’m not sure any have the power to change anything other than to the extent that Brussels opts to give them sufficient time in which to act.
“Are you certain about this? How much of Saturday at Commons was, in actuality, kabuki?”
As “certain” as anybody else. It is just my opinion. I trust Mr Farage and his assessment far more than any of the others.
Oh, I assumed this was a decision of the EU bureaucracy rather than directly of the member states per se.
At this point, I believe he does. In theory, there may be a model for a deal out there that Johnson would genuinely prefer to no deal, but he knows at this stage he has no chance of achieving that - any deal he personally devised based on his own desires would never be approved by Parliament - and he would prefer to leave via no deal than to push for something that would never happen.
I think some people are misunderstanding that the deal Johnson is currently placing before Parliament is not something he wants - he has tried to get a deal of some sort because Parliament is insisting he does so, and what he's presenting isn't his preference but what he has been able to get the EU to agree to, that he thinks has some chance of passing the British Parliament. It's a compromise from necessity - the necessity of Parliament being unable to come to a coherent conclusion of what a majority of it wants, but also being unwilling to come to a majority decision for no deal.
If this current deal gets up - well, getting out with an imperfect deal is better than not getting out at all. Getting out with no deal rather than this imperfect deal would be better still - but Johnson cannot just make that happen.
The eu is pushed more to decentralization due to Germany's own decentralization and due to Poland and Romania wanting that. France is the one for centralization
I wonder what the definitions of centralization and decentralization are in this context... i am losing track...
... and i wonder what if any hard evidence proves that those definitions have veracity...
The numbers of checks and balances. To get a regulation, it needs to be approved by the parliament and full approval by the council before it is sent to individual countries to interpret as per their individual understanding
“The numbers of checks and balances. To get a regulation, it needs to be approved by the parliament and full approval by the council before it is sent to individual countries to interpret as per their individual understanding”
to get a regulation in where. EU? UK?
sorry, i am slow and do not understand at all. i lack sufficient knowledge of the basics to supply any missing context.
perhaps you mean that there is a natural deep state pull that objects to the EU financial center being in UK and favors “decentralization” of the EU financial center (to berlin or paris) (paris being a long shot due to the dominance of submissive paris by dominant berlin... ahem...).
perhaps you mean that there is a natural deep state pull that objects to the EU financial center being in UK and favors “decentralization” of the EU financial center (to berlin or paris) (paris being a long shot due to the dominance of submissive paris by dominant berlin... ahem...).
No.
I mean that the EU except France has a natural tendency to NOT allow centralization of decision-making but rather to allow for individual sub-regions to make their own decisions, basing this on the holy roman empire
The EU financial center is now, post Brexit, to be distributed between Cork, Dublin, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Warsaw, Milan and Paris. Earlier it was centralized in London (naturally as London was, until Brexit the financial nerve center so the network effect like Silicon Valley
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