Posted on 10/04/2019 7:56:42 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
President Donald Trump confirmed Friday that he intends to send a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) stating that, until the full House votes to authorize the chamber's ongoing impeachment inquiry, the administration will not comply with subpoenas and other demands for witness testimony and documents.
Trump and Republicans—who've been daring Pelosi to vote on the matter—believe that such a move would put vulnerable swing state Democrats in a tough spot and force members to more officially go on the record, as all but a handful of House Democrats support an impeachment inquiry into Trump.
The White House has refused for months to cooperate with various congressional subpoenas for witness testimonies and documents, and its directed current and former officials to not comply. And the response to subpoenas and information requests under Democrats' impeachment inquiry in recent weeks has—thus far—been no different.
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Did she not in some fashion do this with o-care?
Or was that the senate? “We deem it passed”.
Sorry, really no recollection minute by minute of that very bad dream.
Only that it occurred.
Every time the democRATS demand documents from the Trump WH, they need to deliver copies of this 31 page law to each representative on the House committee and nothing else. He needs to rub this in their faces.
“Treaty with Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters”, Treaty Document 106-16. Approved in 1999 under President Clinton.
In Senate records and downloadable as a PDF - 31 pages.
Authorizes mutual assistance in criminal investigations.
Trump is following the law, not violating it.
One, the democRATS already know Biden is a weak candidate. And now with Trump exposing him for corruption in the Ukraine as VP, they don't mind him getting thrown under the bus.
Two, the impeachment "inquiry" allows her to throw red meat to the radical Left base and keep them interested. Even though the stupid brunette (stolen from our own FReeper, Chickensoup, who coined the term), AO-C has now said yesterday, she is bored with the whole impeachment thing. Not only a stupid brunette, but a flighty one, as well.
Three, with compliant propaganda arm of their liberal media, she knows it will continue the 24/7 bad news on Trump throughout the campaign.
There's an outside chance that this impeachment won't pass. Trump's numbers will continue to rise.
Lastly, I can't believe I responded to something that was in that far Left magazine called NewsWeak. It should be discounted as a news source right from the get go.
Technically Pelosi is right.
The ONLY votes, concerning impeachment, that the Constitution requires, is the votes on the articles of impeachment. Until Pelosi thinks they have those in the form ready for such votes, she has no Constitutional requirement for a vote.
Now then, prior Congresses have followed a different tradition (an opening vote pretty much declaring there will be an impeachment vote or votes [articles of impeachment] to come), but that is a tradition, not a Constitutional requirement.
The tradition was like getting a sense of the House, before any impeachment investigations began, but that traditional “notice of impeachment” vote, was not the impeachment vote, and it was never Constitutionally required.
“In her response, Pelosi reiterated she would not hold a floor vote, writing that there’s no requirement to do so under the House rules, the Constitution or precedent. There is, however, some precedence, considering the floor votes taken under Nixon and Clinton that authorized impeachment inquires.”
Even THIS article, which seeks to prop up Pelosi, undermines her.
“Trump should declare martial law and end this farce.”
Lol!
The end of his second term would be he right time for that!
Dems owe us 3 years of Trump as president.
In both recent cases of impeachment (including the start against Nixon), the whole house voted to open the inquiry, which is used to draft articles of impeachment. This vote gives the minority party power of subpoena, among other things (such as the President’s attorneys witnessing all depositions). The first item in your posted list skips that historical rule.
Without that vote, it is a kangaroo court.
Only mind addled liberal believers could claim that five stone cold blue state liberals, chairs of House committees, could themselves conduct impeachment hearings without involving the rest of the country’s representatives. This is amazing, brazen, and total tyranny on display.
Newsweek? After the rag was sold for $1 what is left? Three Communists in a basement slinging propaganda using the title of a once legitimate magazine?
“The ambiguous language offers the Democrats discretion as to how it conducts impeachment proceedings.” In other words in accordance with this AMBIGUOUS “langusage” there is nothing in the Constitution that would not allow the democRats to stage a Three Ring Circus!
Considering that the most ‘sane’ of their presidential candidates, Tulsi Gabbard, has caved on the impeachment question, I don’t think the hypothesis — that there are a significant number of swing-state democrats who would vote ‘NO’ — is accurate. But Trump probably has ‘numbers’ that say otherwise.
What she’s doing is
Not Quite Impeachment
Quasi-Impeachment
Semi-Impeachment
The Margarine of Impeachment
I Can’t Believe It’s Not Impeachment
The Diet Coke of Impeachment
The UnPeachment
Thank you for adding this fact.
Yes, even the House must follow the Rule of Law.
Until the House votes to act as a body, conducting any part of impeachment, it is just talking. The impeachment subpoeana power lies with the body, and has not been delegated to any House committee. As a legal technicality, the House has not yet exercized any part of its impeachment power. It's just talking.
Newsweak is attacking the American people with their information warfare meant to force us to succumb to their demands. Never listen to leftist media, folks. They are your enemy.
JoMa
The sole power for impeachment is the house of representatives, not a majority of pre-selelected individuals thereof!
Nancy is not Queen of the country empowered to create sub committees of the house with that sole power to be used as the sole voice for the entire house, especially when it comes to matters that the Constitution deems to be the purview of the singular whole house. The Constitution specifically does not mention allowing selected sub committees within the house to create law or to impeach.
Force the vote and do not cooperate.
Besides it is doubtful that the upper bicameral chamber of the US Senate will actually accept as an official impeachment anything that has not been voted on by the whole house. There’s no reason for turtle too accept that any small group of house sub committee members to pass something as an impeachment off officially when the Constitution says the house has to pass said items of impeachment to the senate (not a sub-committee) and will not allow for minor house sub-committee within to act as the sole voice of the whole house or present their limited consensus as official impeachment articles.
Once they do pass it in the whole house (or shall I say if they do) it will require a super majority in the senate actually to achieve a conviction.
The good thing is this will almost destroy the democrats capacity to retain control of the house in the coming election.0
Constitutionally the House of Representatives can not be made equivalent to a partisan sub-committee within the House of Representatives.
That is how the Supreme Court will rule: 7 the 2 or 7 to 1 if Ginsburg is dead.
We should expect that her death is imminent which may be part of the current major driving force behind the goal to impeach.
They know she is going to croak and they want to use the accusations to claim he is unfit to present any further members to the Supreme Court to permanentlyreplace the old liberal democrat guard.
Imnectarinement
I see what you did there!
The courts will have to decide this. My understanding is that so far the Dems have not been issuing subpoenas, only requests in order to avoid a court show down. Whatever the courts decide, it does not change much.
Newsweek is obviously a totally unreliable source. It is my understanding that it is House Rules that require a vote. The Dems are going to do as much as they are allowed to get away with. They are holding closed hearings where they report the outcomes; they are using secret witnesses in secret meetings {will the GOP be allowed to attend?}; they are refusing to share procedural activity, such as subpoenas, with the GOP. They are a way too much overplaying their power play - and the GOP must keep pressing this issue.
I rather think that the Trump Admin should just refuse to cooperate and let the Dems go ahead and impeach. I would like to think that it will destroy the Dem Party - and that the Senate and Mitch would take a 'trial' as a pro forma joke of an exercise.
The Dems are to the point of barbarous viciousness and they either win out politically or they are permanently stopped. We are finally coming down to it. I have felt from the start of the Dems' anti-Trump schemes that DJT should accept that impeachment is very likely and put the onus on the Dem House and just move on - MAKING THE POINT that he is continuing to MAGA.
Also, Trump should curtail his efforts to fight this battle himself; do his job as Prez and leave Dem obstructionism to the professionals!
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