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Prospects for Trump gun deal grow dimmer
TheHill.com ^ | 09/16/19 06:54 PM EDT | ALEXANDER BOLTON

Posted on 09/16/2019 6:24:54 PM PDT by robowombat

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To: robowombat

In a call on Sunday with Schumer and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Trump made no commitment on the House bill, according to two officials familiar with the call.

Two officials...Nanzi and Chuckie.


41 posted on 09/17/2019 7:55:43 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: robowombat
This is a good thing

These random mass murders by chronically mentally ill people may preventable tragedies, but gun control is not the way to prevent these mentally ill people from committing a crime.

Then again, many of these mass murders may not be preventable at all and are more a byproduct and symptom of our increasingly sick society . The basic problem is that we live in a free society and to regulate the mentally requires laws that, if abused, destroy those freedoms

As we see in the FISA abuses, laws put in place to protect the public from from violence by a vanishingly small minority of people , can be abused to damage the liberties of the vast majority.

We also have learned that the Progressive Left, when they assume power, will without exception, take these potentially intrusive laws, and abuse them and weapons them against the society that they hate

Stalin once famously observed regarding the famine he engineered in the Ukraine that served over 10 million people to death “If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics.” . Of course, that was just the start. Stalin then went on to mass murder items of millions more people, most his own friends and countryman

In order to maintain liberty and freedom in our society, it is infinitely preferable to risk, and even tolerate, the random and tragic acts of violence by a small number of mentally unstable people than to cede those liberties to soulmates of people like Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Le duc tho, Mugabe and others who have no qualms about emulating their role models when it comes to mass murder.

In a nut shell, I'm willing to tolerate the tragedy of a few random acts by the mentally ill to prevent the statistics of millions of victims of genocide engineered and perpetrated by the evil.

This is not some crazy fever swamp delusion. It's painfully obvious from the frankly bizarre and sociopathic and yet very public public comments and behavior of at least several of the current crop of Democrat presidential candidates. More frightening, is that they are successfully appealing to a like minded constituency that amounts a depressingly large segment of todays sick society

42 posted on 09/17/2019 8:00:50 AM PDT by rdcbn ( Referentia)
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To: rdcbn
More to the point, you will never stop a random nutcase who is determined to harm others. If denied a gun he will run over them in his car. Or build a homemade bomb. Or poison something. Or attack a crowd with a machete. Or something.


43 posted on 09/17/2019 8:07:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: rdcbn
This is a good thing
These random mass murders by chronically mentally ill people may preventable tragedies, but gun control is not the way to prevent these mentally ill people from committing a crime.

Then again, many of these mass murders may not be preventable at all and are more a byproduct and symptom of our increasingly sick society . The basic problem is that we live in a free society and to regulate the mentally requires laws that, if abused, destroy those freedoms

As we see in the FISA abuses, laws put in place to protect the public from from violence by a vanishingly small minority of people , can be abused to damage the liberties of the vast majority.

We also have learned that the Progressive Left, when they assume power will, without exception, take these potentially intrusive laws, and abuse them and weaponize them against the society that they hate

Stalin once famously observed regarding the famine he engineered in the Ukraine that starved over 10 million people to death “If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics.” .

Of course, that was just the start. Stalin then went on to mass murder millions more people, many them his own friend,. colleagues and countryman

In order to maintain liberty and freedom in our society, it is infinitely preferable to risk, and even tolerate, the random and tragic acts of violence by a small number of mentally unstable people than to cede those liberties to soulmates of people like Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Le duc tho, Mugabe and others who have no qualms about emulating their role models when it comes to mass murder.

In a nut shell, I'm willing to tolerate the tragedy of a few random acts by the mentally ill to prevent the statistics of millions of victims of genocide engineered and perpetrated by the evil.

It the price off a free society and a small price to pay to protect against the wannabe Stalins that are increasingly common in our dysfunctional political culture

This is not some crazy fever swamp delusion. It's painfully obvious from the frankly bizarre and sociopathic and yet very public public comments and behavior of at least several of the current crop of Democrat presidential candidates.

More frightening, is that they are successfully appealing to a like minded constituency that amounts a depressingly large segment of todays increasingly sick society

44 posted on 09/17/2019 8:09:57 AM PDT by rdcbn ( Referentia)
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To: Westbrook
I believe that’s the president’s intent, as it should be.

I think Trump will just introduce a "poison pill":

Put the "instant check" system on line, where somebody can enter a drivers license (or other state ID#) and name into a web page, and get back whether the person is ineligible to own a firearm, along with a confirmation number to show that the name had been checked. Doing this check would insulate private sellers' from any liability for selling to an ineligible person.

BUT, no firearm serial number would be entered, so it could not be used as the basis for a registration database.

AND the web service would be open to ALL, not just firearm sellers. Women could use it to check out new boyfriends. Employers could use it for prospective hires. Apartment owners for tenants. It would get so much use that it would be utterly worthless for gathering firearm data.

The Dems would shoot it down, and Trump would walk away saying "See? They are not serious about stopping sales to bad people!"

45 posted on 09/17/2019 8:13:04 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
More to the point, you will never stop a random nutcase who is determined to harm others. If denied a gun he will run over them in his car. Or build a homemade bomb. Or poison something. Or attack a crowd with a machete. Or something.


Even more to the point, guns are a particularly inefficient tool for mass casualty attacks . There are much simpler and effective methods if one is so inclined.

46 posted on 09/17/2019 8:13:42 AM PDT by rdcbn ( Referentia)
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To: NorthMountain

Start with the one he approved.. the bump stock ban.


47 posted on 09/17/2019 8:15:07 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: LS

Wile E Coyote has no political affiliation.


48 posted on 09/17/2019 8:16:29 AM PDT by going hot (happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: PapaBear3625
Women could use it to check out new boyfriends.

But men would be forbidden to use it to check out new girlfriends. That would be sexist. Women are always good … only men are suspect and need to be "checked out".

49 posted on 09/17/2019 8:17:26 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
A prefect example of what happens to a disarmed population when they are subjected to officially sanctioned and incited political violence is the very recent Genocide in Rwanda under President Clinton

It takes absolutely no imagination to envision Antifa thugs in their mad max wannabe outfits visiting a similar genocide on the delporable members of American society while the Obamas, Betos, Castros and Kamalas in government do nothing but incite them to an even higher and more murderous frenzy. Heck, we have already watched this play out for real in places like Portland, San Jose and many others

50 posted on 09/17/2019 8:27:25 AM PDT by rdcbn ( Referentia)
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To: PapaBear3625

I certainly hope that he will do something like that!

Poison pill is exactly the tactic he wants to use!


51 posted on 09/17/2019 9:47:27 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it)
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To: SkyPilot

I sent POTUS, my CongressCritter and both Senators an email letter; Each of them got a variation of the letter, because each of them has a restriction on the length of the email.

Each of us MUST get engaged in this fight! I choose email letters:

Dear President Trump,

I am a retired Navy Captain; I served my country for 28½ years, always bearing in mind that my oath to “. . . support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. . . .” was inviolate. I first took that oath on March 4, 1963, and have re-taken it upon each promotion during my service years. I still honor and live by that Oath.

I am a patriot; I love the United States of America and revere the Rule of Law and the US Constitution, both of which differentiate the USA from every nation in the world. Faith, Freedom, Duty, Honor, Country have been my guide posts throughout life.

As a Life Member of the National Rifle Association, I am very distressed by the knee-jerk “ban the gun mentality” the Liberal chattering and professional political classes have brought into the public debate. Thus far, no pundit or politician has suggested any change to our system which would reduce gun violence.

Indeed, the Liberal “suggestions” and “demands” I am familiar with do nothing more than make criminals of law-abiding citizens. Parenthetically, I believe that IS the REAL Liberal intent, and I further believe that they want to ban private gun ownership in the USA. We must not let them prevail!

I believe that the proper approach to take is to review ALL of the federal laws now on the books and throw out the unconstitutional ones and the ones (and there are many!) that don’t work. Then seek ways and means to enforce the remainder in a proper and Constitutional manner.

Lenient policies and a lack of discipline in our schools and courtrooms are the cause of our difficulties in regards to gun violence and crime, not an absence of laws. We have enough laws; surely we do not need any new ones – a Presidential Commission MIGHT be helpful in this regard.

And, please, drop the notion of implementing or encouraging “Red Flag” laws. It is my considered opinion that existing state “Red Flag” laws are unconstitutional in respect of the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments to the US Constitution, and will be adjudged so in the near term.

I write to urge you to preserve the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. Please take no action which will infringe on the God-given US citizen’s rights the Founding Fathers so wisely enshrined therein.

Finally, please seek the counsel of John R. Lott, Jr., Ph.D., Founder and President of The Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC - https://crimeresearch.org), “. . . a research and education organization dedicated to conducting academic quality research on the relationship between laws regulating the ownership or use of guns, crime, and public safety; educating the public on the results of such research; and supporting other organizations, projects, and initiatives that are organized and operated for similar purposes.” Please contact him at johnrlott@crimeresearch.org. I believe you will find his advice helpful.

Patriotic Americans are counting on you to stand firm against this liberal assault on our Constitution!

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Frank L. Davis, Jr., MBA
Captain, USN (Ret)

cc: Senator Marco Rubio
Senator Rick Scott
Congressman John H. Rutherford


52 posted on 09/17/2019 8:05:18 PM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Taxman
That was an excellent letter, and you captured the essence of the issue. Thank you for writing it, and thanks for your service brother!
53 posted on 09/18/2019 2:36:09 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

You are most welcome - I hope my letter helps us maintain our FReedoms!

And, maybe, inspires others to write/call POTUS and their CongressCritter and Senators.


54 posted on 09/18/2019 5:41:23 AM PDT by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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