Kalamata:
"Joe the Science Denier says..." That's a blatant example of my Rule for Deniers, #5, post #272.
Kalamata: "Your do know that your lying becomes pathological once you start believing your own lies, don’t you?"
That would be my Rules #5, #6 & #7.
Kalamata: "Now, to magic.
These are the 3 universe creation stories, according to the Moses-hating evolutionist:
1) The universe magically exploded into existence..."
Rule #6.
In fact, science never recognizes "magic", but some theologians do.
Kalamata: "Well, there is also a 4th called the ‘multi-verse”, where a gazillion of so universes magically appear,"
There's no physical evidence for "multi-verse", it's pure speculation.
Kalamata: "These are the origin of life stories from the Moses-hating evolutionist:
1) Life magically arose from..."
Natural science, by definition, cannot recognize "magic".
Kalamata: "There are probably others.
The common thread is a wild imagination, and “magic”."
No Origin of Life proposal yet qualifies as theory and most not even as falsifiable hypotheses.
So they are at the pre-hypothesis speculation stage.
Doubtless many will prove wrong and get discarded.
But science recognizes nothing "magic".
Kalamata: "Did you ever wonder who imagined that silliness about “no divine intervention”?
They certainly fooled you, and me too for a long time."
Science is all about studying natural explanations for natural processes while leaving divine intervention to theologians.
Now, if you wish to redefine scientific theories & formulas as themselves forms of "divine intervention", that might be fine, but it's not what the Bible says.
The Bible shows God's miracles as specifically above & beyond natural laws, indeed, it's God's miracles breaking natural laws which illustrate for Biblical people His existence as God -- consider Exodus 7:9 for starters.
That's why traditionally Western thought has considered God's miracles as divine intervention and the natural realm as something different -- as something which natural science can study.
Kalamata: "No. What good is a creation if there is no one around to enjoy it with."
God's timescale is not the same as ours.
Kalamata: "We are created in that image — the image of him who sits on that throne."
Right, and that's theology, not natural-science. ![]()
>>Kalamata: “Joe the Science Denier says...”
>>Joe the Science Denier says, “That’s a blatant example of my Rule for Deniers, #5, post #272.
Alinsky Joe’s redirection is a blatant example of Science Denier Rule#6: “Accuse, accuse, accuse your opponent of whatever you’re most guilty.”
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>>Kalamata: “Your do know that your lying becomes pathological once you start believing your own lies, don’t you?”
>>Joe the Science Denier says, “That would be my Rules #5, #6 & #7.
Alinsky Joe consistently applies Science Denier Rule#8 against those threatening his worldview:
Science Denier Rule#8: “If you have to lie, lie big and repeat your lie endlessly, never back down. OK to personally insult, disparage & malign.” Narrative: If your lies fail to silence him, and you have already labeled him a holocaust denier, you are on your own.
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>>Kalamata: “Now, to magic. These are the 3 universe creation stories, according to the Moses-hating evolutionist: 1) The universe magically exploed into existence...”
>>Joe the Science Denier says, “Rule #6. In fact, science never recognizes “magic”, but some theologians do.”
Science is science; it doesn’t recognize anything. Scientists, however, never recognize magic, however most all recognized a supernatural creator. Theologians in the evolutionism cult recognize various forms of magic.
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>>Kalamata: “Well, there is also a 4th called the ‘multi-verse”, where a gazillion of so universes magically appear,”
>>Joe the Science Denier says, “There’s no physical evidence for “multi-verse”, it’s pure speculation.
Of course the multiverse theory is speculation; that is why so many evolutionists embrace it. Their religion thrives on speculation. Check out some of the multiverse hits in these journals:
https://search.sciencemag.org/?searchTerm=multiverse&order=tfidf&limit=textFields&pageSize=10&&;
https://www.nature.com/search?q=multiverse
http://www.astronomy.com/search?q=multiverse
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>>Kalamata: “These are the origin of life stories from the Moses-hating evolutionist: 1) Life magically arose from...”
>>Joe the Science Denier says, “Natural science, by definition, cannot recognize “magic”.
Natural science is science; it doesn’t recognize anything. Scientists, however, never recognize magic, but most recognize that life is a gift from our creator. Theologians in the evolutionism cult recognize various forms of magic, including life magically appearing in pond scum, primordial soup, and etc...
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>>Kalamata: “There are probably others. The common thread is a wild imagination, and “magic”.”
>>Joe the Science Denier says, “No Origin of Life proposal yet qualifies as theory and most not even as falsifiable hypotheses. So they are at the pre-hypothesis speculation stage. Doubtless many will prove wrong and get discarded. But science recognizes nothing “magic”.
Science doesn’t recognize anything.
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>>Kalamata: “Did you ever wonder who imagined that silliness about “no divine intervention”? They certainly fooled you, and me too for a long time.”
>>Joe the Science Denier says, “Science is all about studying natural explanations for natural processes while leaving divine intervention to theologians . . . That’s why traditionally Western thought has considered God’s miracles as divine intervention and the natural realm as something different — as something which natural science can study.”
That was not true until Charlie & Charlie corrupted science. Before their deception, scientists were driven to understand how God’s universe operated, rather than trying to prop up the dumb theories of Charlie and Charlie. A couple of examples:
“[S]ince as the Creation is, so is the Creator also magnified, we may conclude in consequence of an infinity, and an infinite all-active power, that as the visible creation is supposed to be full of siderial systems and planetary worlds, so on, in like similar manner, the endless immensity is an unlimited plenum of creations not unlike the known universe.” [Thomas Wright, “An Original Theory or New Hypothesis of the Universe.” 1750, p.83]
“the parity of reason must take place in the celestial spaces above the earth s atmosphere; in which spaces, where there is no air to resist their motions, all bodies will move with the greatest freedom; and the planets and comets will constantly pursue their revolutions in or bits given in kind and position, according to the laws above explained; but though these bodies may, indeed, persevere in their orbits by the mere laws of gravity, yet they could by no means have at first derived the regular position of the orbits themselves from those laws... This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.” [Newton, Isaac, “Newton’s Principia: the Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy.” Daniel Adee, 1846, Book III, p.501]
They were real scientits. They gave glory to God, rather than mock him.
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>>Kalamata: “No. What good is a creation if there is no one around to enjoy it with.”
>>Joe the Science Denier says, “God’s timescale is not the same as ours.
Of course not. But he gave us understanding through his word of the time he took to create the universe and its host through:
“Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day” — Exo 20:9,11 KJV
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>>Kalamata: “We are created in that image — the image of him who sits on that throne.”
>>Joe the Science Denier says, “Right, and that’s theology, not natural-science.
That is not theology; that is a permanent fact. This is science, and history:
“from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.” — Mar 10:6 KJV
Mr. Kalamata