[Kalamata]

>>Joe the Denier says, “Right! Exactly like there’s no evidence for the Holocaust in a Holocaust museum! How could there be, since it never happened?! </sarcasm>

There are boatloads of evidence for the holocaust, dummy. None for evolutionism.

As an aside, Dr. David Berlinski of the Discovery Institute, an “evolutionism denier” and therefore a “holocaust denier” by association, according to the dark mind of Alinsky Joe, came from Jewish parents who fled the Nazi’s near the beginning of World War II. Can you imagine anyone in their right mind would claim David Berlinsky to be a holocaust denier? Alinsky Joe, perhaps, but no one in their right mind.

This is Dr. Berlinski:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl_halncgdU&list=PLrCQerz2L0IeG17t1-k59uM87cbESCWDQ

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>>Joe the Denier says, “You keep asking for evidence, I’m telling you where you can go to find it, see it, touch it. If you can’t find it there, nothing I say will help.

I asked for scientific evidence, Alinsky Joe, not just-so stories and fake lineages.

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>>Joe the Denier says, “Right! Exactly the way a Holocaust denier, literally, can’t see evidence of the Holocaust in a Holocaust museum. What can I say?

Get a hold of yourself, Alinsky Joe. There is plenty of evidence for the holocaust in a holocaust museum. Go look for yourself! On the other hand, there is no evidence for evolution in a natural history museum.

Alinsky Joe became completely unhinged when I asked him for scientific evidence for evolutionism, rather than the typical just-so stories, imaginary tree diagrams, and the wildly imaginative museum mockups that the evolutionism cult typically feeds the unwashed masses.

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>>Joe the Denier says, “Right, your opinions based on incomplete knowledge are not evidence of “no evolution”, but are evidence of your theological commitments.

Quit denying the fact that there is no evidence for your religion, Alinsky Joe. Either that, or point us to EMPIRICAL,
OBSERVABLE, SCIENTIFIC evidence.

The evolution cult has had 160 years to find evidence to support Charlie Darwin’s lame-brain theory, and there was even less evidence 40 years ago, than there was in Charlie’s day, according to this fellow:

“Darwin’s theory of natural selection has always been closely linked to evidence from fossils, and probably most people assume that fossils provide a very important part of the general argument that is made in favor of darwinian interpretations of the history of life. Unfortunately, this is not strictly true. We must distinguish between the fact of evolution — defined as change in organisms over time — and the explanation of this change. Darwin’s contribution, through his theory of natural selection, was to suggest how the evolutionary change took place. The evidence we find in the geologic record is not nearly as compatible with darwinian natural selection as we would like it to be. Darwin was completely aware of this. He was embarrassed by the fossil record because it didn’t look the way he predicted it would and, as a result, he devoted a long section of his Origin of Species to an attempt to explain and rationalize the differences... Well, we are now about 120 years after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the situation hasn’t changed much. The record of evolution is still surprisingly jerky and, ironically, we have even fewer examples of evolutionary transition than we had in Darwin’s time. By this I mean that some of the classic cases of darwinian change in the fossil record, such as the evolution of the horse in North America, have had to be discarded or modified as a result of more detailed information — what appeared to be a nice simple progression when relatively few data were available now appears to be much more complex and much less gradualistic. So Darwin’s problem has not been alleviated in the last 120 years and we still have a record which does show change but one that can hardly be looked upon as the most reasonable consequence of natural selection.” [Raup, David M., “Conflicts between Darwin and Paleontology.” Field Museum of Natural History, Bulletin Vol. 50 No. 1, January, 1979, pp.22-23,25]

There is even less today, now that the whale evolution myth has been exposed, and Haeckel’s fake embryos have been removed from most of our children’s textbooks. Haeckel’s embryos have been retained only in books written by a few die-hard fanatics, such as the atheist and antichristian bigot, Donald Prothero, one of Alinsky Joe’s heroes.

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>>Joe the Denier says, “Nonsense, evolution is theory (artwork) based on facts (fossils).”

LOL! Only a fool would believe that:

http://thegrandexperiment.com/whale-evolution.html

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>>Joe the Denier says, “And once again the god of definitions, Lord Danny I-don’t-see-no-stinkin’-facts Kalamata redefines words for us lowly humans. Amazing!

Facts are facts, Alinsky Joe. The fact that you don’t have any facts supporting your cult demonstrates that it is founded on religion, not science.

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>> Kalamata said: “Those are observable features of the geologic column and the fossil record? “
>>Joe the Denier responded, “Naw… it’s pure nonsense concocted by someone who loathes science with a passion strong enough to justify any lies.

I see that geology and paleontology are not your strong suits, Alinsky Joe.

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>> Joe the Denier said: “Nonsense, you pick, you accuse, I’ll defend.”

It is your deceptive link, Alinsky Joe. Show us the evidence from it. Pick one.

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>> Joe the Denier said: “I see you are still lying about pretty much everything, from small points to large.

Everything you say is a lie, Alinsky Joe.

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>> Joe the Denier said: “No, there are literal mountains of evidence, though some scientists (ie., Bob Bakker) insist that asteroid was not the only cause.

There is only evidence in the world-wide strata for a global flood; no asteroid strikes.

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>> Joe the Denier said: “Right, estimates are billions of fossils in hundreds of thousands of species found so far.
That’s a lot of evidence and answers a lot of questions, though many more are still unknown.

That is evidence for a global flood; nothing else.

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>> Joe the Denier said: “And yet you looked straight at contrary evidence and still lied about it? Amazing.

I never dispute evidence of any kind. That is a character trait that made me a good troubleshooter during my career, and somewhat of a “loose cannon” during my college years, since I refused to bow to the establishment.

That said, I believed in evolution and uniformitarian geology for all of my career, because I had no reason to doubt what I was told. When I finally saw the evidence (the geological column) I realized we have been conned.

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>> Joe the Denier said: “And the lies just never stop.

Not while you are posting.

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>> Joe the Denier said: “Of course not, just like there’s no proof for the Holocaust, not even in a Holocaust museum. </sarcasm> But there’s endless physical evidence for the Earth’s age, some radiometric, a lot of it not. As important, there’s no physical evidence suggesting otherwise.

You can tell the lies of Alinsky Joe are being exposed when he throws out the “Holocaust Card”. Lately he has been playing that card with the same religious fervor that Brother Al Sharpton plays the Race Card.

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>> Joe the Denier said: “Now you’re just projecting your own mindset & denial practices onto me. Totally untrue.

How so? You are the one using the same debating tactics with the same religious fervor as holocaust deniers?

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>> Joe the Denier said: “If there were serious evidence falsifying evolution theory, it would eventually make its way into recognized publications, one way or another.

You are more naive than even I thought.

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>> Joe the Denier said: “And yet again, by your own quotes, you lie. That M.D. never said he found a single fossil.
He said he “talked to” others who claimed they had, at some point, found bird & dinosaur fossils together. An amazing story if true, would make world-wide headlines if confirmed, and yet we’ve heard... nothing. Why? Just my first guess... because it’s not.

He found the fossils in museum and museum drawers that came from dinosar dig sites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSFytEpevU&list=PLrCQerz2L0Ifpe9QdbWBZ1ACbEa3kMO2g&index=10&t=8m59s

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>> Joe the Denier said: “Nonsense, geologistgs spend lifetimes studying different geological strata worldwide to predict locations of natural resources like oil & minerals. Sure, there are similarities, but they are far from the same.

The geologic column and fossil record supports world-wide catastrophe, not uniformitarian gradualism. This evolutionary geologist explains how geologists have been brainwashed into believing Lyell:

“My excuse for this lengthy and amateur digression into history is that geology got into the hands of the theoreticians who were conditioned by the social and political history of their day more than by observations in the field. So it was–as Steve Gould put it–that Charles Lyell ‘managed to convince future generations of geologists that their science had begun with him.’ In other words, we have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed into avoiding any interpretation of the past that involves extreme and what might be termed ‘catastrophic’ processes. However, it seems to me that the stratigraphical record is full of examples of processes that are far from ‘normal’ in the usual sense of the word. In particular we must conclude that sedimentation in the past has often been very rapid indeed and very spasmodic. This may be called the ‘Phenomenon of the Catastrophic Nature of the Stratigraphic Record.’” [Ager, Derek V., “The Nature of the Stratigraphical Record.” John Wilson & Son, 3rd Ed, 1993, Chap 4., p.70]

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>> Joe the Denier said: “Many different kinds of fossils are found above the K-T boundary, just not dinosaurs.

So? Where are the dinosaur transitions?

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>> Joe the Denier said: “Now my time here is up, will come back another day... “

That is enough lies out of you for one day, Alinsky Joe.

Mr. Kalamata

[BroJoeK]

Kalamata: "There are boatloads of evidence for the holocaust, dummy.
None for evolutionism."

Right, just like a Holocaust denier can spend all day in a Holocaust museum and never see a shred of evidence.
It's amazing, really.

Kalamata: "As an aside, Dr. David Berlinski of the Discovery Institute, an “evolutionism denier” and therefore a “holocaust denier” by association, according to the dark mind of Alinsky Joe, came from Jewish parents who fled the Nazi’s... "

So here's one example where Kalamata could easily tell the truth but chose to lie instead.
The truth is, any comparison of different groups of deniers is in the tactics they use to deny, not necessarily any similarity in beliefs.

Kalamata: "I asked for scientific evidence, Alinsky Joe, not just-so stories and fake lineages."

Right, just like Holocaust deniers see no evidence in a Holocaust museum.

Kalamata: "Get a hold of yourself, Alinsky Joe.
There is plenty of evidence for the holocaust in a holocaust museum.
Go look for yourself!
On the other hand, there is no evidence for evolution in a natural history museum."

Right, Kalamata will not back down, even though he must realize that he's using the same deniers' tactics.
I still maintain that Kalamata, however insulting he seems here, is nowhere near the vulgarians of Holocaust denial.

Kalamata: "Alinsky Joe became completely unhinged when I asked him for scientific evidence for evolutionism, rather than the typical just-so stories, imaginary tree diagrams, and the wildly imaginative museum mockups that the evolutionism cult typically feeds the unwashed masses."

"Unhinged" describes our deniers' responses to actual evidence -- "that's not evidence!" they claim.

Kalamata: "Quit denying the fact that there is no evidence for your religion, Alinsky Joe.
Either that, or point us to EMPIRICAL, OBSERVABLE, SCIENTIFIC evidence."

My religion is Christianity, for which there is lot's of evidence.
Scientific evidence for evolution can be observed in any natural history museum, while explanations of evolution theory can be found in any book on the subject.

Kalamata: "The evolution cult has had 160 years to find evidence to support Charlie Darwin’s lame-brain theory, and there was even less evidence 40 years ago, than there was in Charlie’s day, according to this fellow:

'We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the situation hasn’t changed much.' "

Remember that number from 40 years ago: 250,000 fossil species, and yet like a true propagandist, our author claims "the situation hasn't changed much"!

That's pure nonsense -- in fact 250,000 species in total means there are dozens if not hundreds or thousands of species in any major sequence.
And yet the quote claims fossil sequences are still more "jerky" and evolution more "complex" than he'd like.
Well, sorry, it is what it is, and estimates are still that 99%+ of all species which ever lived have never been found.
So regardless of how many dozens we do have in any sequence, there are still hundreds or thousands more yet to be found.

Kalamata: "There is even less today, now that the whale evolution myth has been exposed, and Haeckel’s fake embryos have been removed from most of our children’s textbooks.
Haeckel’s embryos have been retained only in books written by a few die-hard fanatics, such as the atheist and antichristian bigot, Donald Prothero, one of Alinsky Joe’s heroes."

And yet another example where Kalamata could easily have chosen to tell the truth -- truth would not have damaged his argument at all -- but he chose to lie instead, why?
The truth is I never heard of Prothero before Kalamata introduced him, and yet Kalamata falsely declares Prothero a "hero".
I conclude from this that Kalamata himself hates the truth and loves lies, loves lying, seemingly just for the thrill of it...

Kalamata: "Facts are facts, Alinsky Joe.
The fact that you don’t have any facts supporting your cult demonstrates that it is founded on religion, not science."

The fact that you can spend all day in a natural history museum and not see any evidence of evolution demonstrates that you are a denier, based on your religious beliefs.

Kalamata: "I see that geology and paleontology are not your strong suits, Alinsky Joe."

I see that anti-geology and anti-paleontology are your strong suits, FRiend.

Kalamata: "It is your deceptive link, Alinsky Joe.
Show us the evidence from it.
Pick one."

Step 1: click the link.
Step 2: read the page.
Step 3: respond if you wish.

Kalamata: "Everything you say is a lie, Alinsky Joe."

From Denier Rules #1 & #7, post #272.

Kalamata: "There is only evidence in the world-wide strata for a global flood; no asteroid strikes."

Again, From Denier Rule #1.

Kalamata: "That is evidence for a global flood; nothing else."

Still again, From Denier Rule #1.

Kalamata: "I never dispute evidence of any kind."

A total lie (denier rules #2 & #6) since you dispute all evidence which contradicts your religious beliefs.

Kalamata: "When I finally saw the evidence (the geological column) I realized we have been conned."

I'm certain you're lying to claim you'd never seen the geological column, since it's in any textbook on the subject and you can see it yourself on any highway cut through mountains.
So doubtless what changed was not the facts, but your perspective on them.

Kalamata: "You can tell the lies of Alinsky Joe are being exposed when he throws out the “Holocaust Card”. "

In my experience, deniers use the same tactics regardless of their subject.

Kalamata: "You are the one using the same debating tactics with the same religious fervor as holocaust deniers?"

That is Rule #5, post #272.

Kalamata: "You are more naive than even I thought."

That's rule #7.

Kalamata: "He found the fossils in museum and museum drawers that came from dinosar dig sites:"

Right, so their provenances & in situ conditions are completely unknown.
In short, they are worthless as evidence falsifying evolution theory.

Kalamata: "The geologic column and fossil record supports world-wide catastrophe, not uniformitarian gradualism."

Multiple catastrophes as illustrated here:

Kalamata quoting Ager, 1993: "In other words, we have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed into avoiding any interpretation of the past that involves extreme and what might be termed ‘catastrophic’ processes.
However, it seems to me that the stratigraphical record is full of examples of processes that are far from ‘normal’ in the usual sense of the word.
In particular we must conclude that sedimentation in the past has often been very rapid indeed and very spasmodic."

The geological record is fully recognized as including any number of catastrophic events, as graphed above.

Kalamata: "So? Where are the dinosaur transitions?"

You can see the fossils in any natural history museum, any textbook will explain what we know & think.
These are from 2018 &1016:
Kalamata: "That is enough lies out of you for one day, Alinsky Joe."

That is rule #7.