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To: Iscool
No, we don't need Jesus standing physically in front of us in order to believe in Him --- not do we have to believe in fragments of relics; although they may have genuine devotional significance, they generally have little to no forensic value.

However, evidence is not to be treated with indifference. Paying close attention to objective evidence is a big element in what is rightly called "justice." No one who is indifferent to evidence can be thought to be a just judge.

That's why evidence of miracles, for instance, is needed to verify miracles. The Church rightly takes what you could call a professionally conservative stance toward purported miracles. Medical verification, for instance, for reported cures, is not to be underestimated. And as for visions --- it's always necessary to rule out the possibility of fraud, delusion, deception, and honest mistakes.

As you know (if you've been reading his thread):

I hope you find this helpful.

449 posted on 07/29/2019 8:46:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For peace within your gates, speak truth and judge with sound judgment." - Zechariah 8:16)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Iscool; metmom; Mom MD
2.Nothing in the purported Private Revelation" contradicts Catholic Faith and Morals, e.g. the Vision didn't say 'Hi, I'm the Fourth Person of the Trinity," "Girls who wear Bloomers are going to Hell," "Marx was Right and Lenin is His Prophet", "Jesus hates the Catholic Church," "No dancing, no beer"; "Reduce your Carbon Footprint," "Adore Me, I am Aphrodite in a Nightie," or any such nonsense;

Roman Catholicism does have and allows and sanctions the nonsense of the apparitions claiming to be Mary and the non-Scriptural statements they've made. This has already been shown to you numerous times regarding the apparitions.

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The apparition claiming to be Mary who gave the scapular with the promise "anyone dying in this habit shall not suffer eternal fire."

A prayer offered while holding the Scapular is as perfect as a prayer can be. It is especially in time of temptation that we need the powerful intercession of God’s Mother. The evil spirit is utterly powerless when the wearer of a scapular faces temptation, calling upon the Holy Virgin in this silent devotion.

True devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary consists in three things: VENERATION, CONFIDENCE AND LOVE.

By simply wearing the Scapular, we can tell her every moment of the day that we venerate her, love her and trust in her protection.The Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel has promised to save those who wear the scapular from the fires of hell; She will also shorten their stay in purgatory if they should pass from this world still owing some debt of punishment.

https://www.sistersofcarmel.com/brown-scapular-information.php

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Right there are four lies that are contradiction of Scripture.

NO WHERE in Scripture is a promise ever made that wearing a man-made piece of cloth can save you from the eternal fire. NO WHERE. To believe that is idolatry and a departure from the faith. A number of your fellow Roman Catholics on these threads have admitted to falling for this lie. I hope you're not one of them.

Only faith in Christ and Christ alone can save you....nothing else.

NO WHERE in Scripture are we to "venerate" or have "devotion" to Mary.

We are to love the Lord God with all of our heart, soul, mind and body.

NO WHERE in Scripture does it teach that holding an idol like the scapular is a "perfect prayer" or that it is what we are to appeal to in times of spiritual warfare. NO WHERE.

Jesus taught the disciples how to pray with the Lord's prayer as a model. I guess He left out something.

Paul, in Ephesians 6 gave us the things to do in spiritual warfare....which is daily.

NO WHERE in Scripture are we ever directed to appeal to Mary in matters of prayer or anything else for that matter.

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We can examine the apparitions at Fatima, Guadalupe, etc and we will find lies mixed in with some truth.

The apparitions stand in contradiction to Scripture, yet Roman Catholicism sanctions and allows these lies to be believed.

459 posted on 07/30/2019 4:15:26 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o
(e.g. Mary says, "Do whatever He tells you")

Rome says, "It's ok if you do the things that an apparition tells you."

512 posted on 07/30/2019 6:37:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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