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To: Mrs. Don-o
Since you just confirmed that Jesus IS a sign--- and then you added, "We Gentiles do not require a sign," you seem to be saying that Gentiles do not need Christ Incarnate.

Well no...I'm saying we don't need to have Jesus physically standing in front of us for us to believe in him...We don't need to see Jesus perform miracles to know that Jesus performs miracles...The OT Jews required those things...We don't...We don't require relics or the 'shroud' to know that Jesus existed...

447 posted on 07/29/2019 8:15:30 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
No, we don't need Jesus standing physically in front of us in order to believe in Him --- not do we have to believe in fragments of relics; although they may have genuine devotional significance, they generally have little to no forensic value.

However, evidence is not to be treated with indifference. Paying close attention to objective evidence is a big element in what is rightly called "justice." No one who is indifferent to evidence can be thought to be a just judge.

That's why evidence of miracles, for instance, is needed to verify miracles. The Church rightly takes what you could call a professionally conservative stance toward purported miracles. Medical verification, for instance, for reported cures, is not to be underestimated. And as for visions --- it's always necessary to rule out the possibility of fraud, delusion, deception, and honest mistakes.

As you know (if you've been reading his thread):

I hope you find this helpful.

449 posted on 07/29/2019 8:46:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For peace within your gates, speak truth and judge with sound judgment." - Zechariah 8:16)
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