Why Does The Shroud of Turin Still Exist?

Townhall.com ^ | July 28, 2019 | Myrah Kahn Adams

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thank you for your comments, which show you have been giving this thoughtful consideration for a long time.

And I did read your typo as "sunshine" even before you corrected it. There are many things we can't perceive yet, but like sunshine, they are there! The biography of St. Benedict of Nursia says at one point near the end of his life (around 540 AD), the Lord permitted Benedict to see the whole world gathered within a beam of light.

[Mark17]

Maybe that’s just shorthand for “LC” (??).

Actually, I think it’s longhand, since there are more letters in Elsie, than there are in LC. 😁

[imardmd1]

That was a joke! (Hee hee)

[Elsie]

I heard nothing about being saved by this scapulator thing.

Well; I think there is only TWO choices:

Eternity WITH hellfire or

Eternity without it.

One is a state of being 'saved'; the other isn't.

[Elsie]

I’ll take all the feelings of affection from wherever I can find them these days.

[Elsie]

. If my brain looks like my catch-as-catch-can external info retrieval schemes, God help me!!

Sounds like my barn.

The reason I have 2-3 of so many tools is because I can't ever find one when I need it!

[Elsie]

Interesting article! The term 'radiance' is spot on. Did the face of Moses radiate after neing in God's Presence?

That only happens to the knights who say NI.

[Elsie]

But; to an illiterate; there are the same number of sounds.

Go figger.

We should know; however; that ELSIE is NOT the same as LC.

One has electricity; the other...?

[imardmd1]

Nimrod? Nah. From catholics obviously, the uninspired fallible "Church Fathers" and "Antinicene Patristics" (who are not the fathers of any Christian assembly that I would attend), particularly those educated converted pagans whose grounding was in Platonism and Stoicism, who started mangling the Written Word by using it to further their allegorical methods, particularly from the catechistical school of Alexandria. That bunch is also the group from which the corrupted Greek texts Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, and Sinaiticus emanate which are the foundation from which nearly all the modern "Bible" versions are interpretively extracted (I will not use the word "translate" to describe the current process of getting rich on copyrighted publications mistitled "Bible").

Just do a Google search on the biographies of Clement of Alexandria, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Eusebius of Caesarea, Origen of Alexandria, and out of them the Bishop of Hippo, Augustine, who made sure the Cathological formula became the religious organ of the Roman State.

You can count on the fact that their errors came from the roots of making priests the subordinates of the religious power structure, with the ordinary "lay" people taking the big hit in this fiasco.

That's my opinion. All this was present even in Paul's time, of which he wrote to the people ogf Galatia. You will not in that epistle he was not boosting any other Gospel than the one given to him by revelation from the Lord Jesus Christ. Especially not the one being lived out by Simon bar Jona, raising problems in Paul's own home sending church of Antioch.

[Elsie]

You talkin' 'bout ME?

[mrobisr]

“It DOES NOT say “Scripture is the only thing inspired by God, and will remain forever the only thing inspired by God.”

What it says is that anything that contradicts the Gospels Genesis to Revelation is from Satan no matter who it comes from to include Mary, Angels, or the roman church, Gal 1:8.

So for you to not accept 2 Tim 3:16-17 makes perfect sense since you have accepted so many other false gospel teachings from the church of Satan that are completely contrary to the Holy Word of God.

[mrobisr]

Oh you mean like all the additions?

1 . Prayers for the dead . …………-—————————……300 A.D.
2. Making the sign of the cross ………………………… …300 A.D.
3. Veneration of angels & dead saints …………-————…….375 A.D.
4. Use of images in worship………………………………… . 375 A.D.
5. The Mass as a daily celebration……………………………… 394 A.D.
6 Beginning of the exaltation of Mary;the term, “Mother of God” applied a Council of Ephesus—————————————— 431 A.D.
7 Extreme Unction (Last Rites)……………………………… ..526 A.D.
8. Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1…………………………… .593 A.D..
9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints ……………………………… .600 A.D.
10. Worship of cross, images & relics ……………………… … 786 A.D.
11 Canonization of dead saints ………………………………… ..995 A.D.
12. Celibacy of priesthood …………………………………… …1079 A.D.
13. The Rosary ……………………………………………… … 1090 A.D.
14. Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………————————… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………——————……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-—————————————————……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.

[Moonmad27]

1977 - As a Catholic, I read the New Testament, realized all the additions Catholicism had made over the centuries (hundreds of years after the first apostles died) and became Lutheran. Well, it’s an important year for me!

[imardmd1]

No, sir! "Elsie" being shorthand for "LC" was the chuckle!

I don't know about the guy in the picture, but . . . that fellow needs a shave-and-a-haircut, 2 bits!

[Hebrews 11:6]

Quite a list. Would appreciate a source, please.

[grey_whiskers]

Did you ever bother to look up what St. Paul was dealing with when writing Galatians 1, btw?

[grey_whiskers]

The very doctrine of sola scriptura itself is a teaching of man.

You're acting like (say) Lutheranism, or the Rev. Bud's Down-Home Old Time Gospel Faith Mission are the original sources of doctrine, and Catholicism and Orthodoxy are offshoots.

It's the other way around.

[grey_whiskers]

What it says is that anything that contradicts the Gospels Genesis to Revelation is from Satan no matter who it comes from to include Mary, Angels, or the roman church, Gal 1:8.

You're getting carried away with your rhetoric here.

For one thing, the OldTestament isn't part of the Gospel; rather, as St. Paul teaches later in Galatians, the Law was our Schoolmaster to lead us to Christ. So it wasn't the Gospel, the Good News *of* Christ.

For another, when Paul wrote Galatians, he CANNOT have been speaking of Revelations, since John hadn't written it yet.

[grey_whiskers]

Anyone who thinks that you can have a saving faith but then lose it necessarily subsribes to a false “gospel.:

You better tell both the author of Hebrews, and St. Paul that, then.

Or, you're engaged in sophistry of the "no true Scotsman" type.

I haven't been able to find the phrase "saving faith" *in* the Bible.

But there are a number of passages *in Scripture* which talk about losing the faith.

Should I conclude that the concept is a doctrine of men, then? /dry>

[grey_whiskers]

Call no man father.

St. Paul's up the creek then.

1 Cor 4:15 "I became your Father through the gospel."

But the real answer is that the context (there's that word again) of the verse, is that Jesus was slamming the Pharisees.

(He went on to say "call no man teacher" right after that, too, but I've heard all *kinds* of Evangelicals touting the "anointed teaching of the Rev. so-and-so." And what of the title "Doctor" (which if IIRC is the latin word for "teacher"...I'm sure the MDs are just gonna *love* that one.)