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Why Does The Shroud of Turin Still Exist?
Townhall.com ^ | July 28, 2019 | Myrah Kahn Adams

Posted on 07/28/2019 6:02:04 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: grey_whiskers; metmom
No, God doesn't, but you're lying about me again.

I am not lying about you now nor have I lied about you on this thread.

This was in refutation to another poster who said, if a spirit lies, it cannot be from God.

Yet here is a word-for-word case, from Scripture, of a spirit telling God it's going to lie, and God telling it to do so, because such will accomplish God's will, of getting Ahab to fall in battle.

Which does not make God a liar, but directly and literally and Scripturally refutes the poster's contention.

Again, I seriously suggest you re-read the section again.

You are completely missing the point of the verses in question to try and win debate points.

Your desire to try and disprove metmom, who btw is correct, is causing you to err on this.

781 posted on 07/31/2019 5:00:04 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: grey_whiskers

Really?

A fella whose church says it is true because the church says it’s true is mentioning circular logic?


782 posted on 07/31/2019 5:00:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I'm not making derogatory blanket statements about entire denominations, spanning multiple continents over thousands of years, now, am I?

The trolls on this thread are making ex cathedra type, UNIVERSAL statements about Catholicism.

A single counterexample, suffices to undo the Universal.

If they'd bothered to say, "Gee the Catholics screwed up in the late Middle Ages, getting carried away with legalism and at the time forgetting Grace and Mercy"...but they insist on throwing out the Infant with the Baptismal Font so to speak.

783 posted on 07/31/2019 5:00:54 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Who said that again?

Call no man father.


Your serve.

784 posted on 07/31/2019 5:01:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: grey_whiskers
Scripture interprets Scripture, they say.

Except when Rome does it:

Call no man father.

785 posted on 07/31/2019 5:02:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Passage in Hebrews 6, around verse 6 or so.
786 posted on 07/31/2019 5:02:29 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
So, tell me all about it. I'm all ears.

Let this poor PROT school you again:

It's regular water that has had the hell boiled out of it.

787 posted on 07/31/2019 5:04:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
If, on the other hand, the person is unable, or even unwilling, to wear it or carry it, it may even be slipped, unknown to them, into their clothes, possessions, home or work environments, etc."

Gotta love an organization that is so on the up and up!

788 posted on 07/31/2019 5:05:11 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: mrobisr
...from childhood you have known the sacred writings

And Tim?

Some folks are going to come along later and say the NEW sacred writings; that are now being written; are NOT gonna be good enough.

Other things, that will NOT be found in them; will be required to get into heaven.

789 posted on 07/31/2019 5:07:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: grey_whiskers
I don’t accept 2 Timothy 3:16-17 as relevant,

Well! This is quite an admission!

What's your judgement call on verse 2 Timothy 3:15??


2 Timothy 3:15
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

 


It appears that the "Scriptura" was "Sola" enough when it was just the OLD TESTEMENT; I wonder why ADDING the NEW TESTEMENT made it unreliable?

790 posted on 07/31/2019 5:12:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: grey_whiskers
I pray, and I ask others to pray.

To WHOM?

791 posted on 07/31/2019 5:14:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: grey_whiskers
Satan also hates the Church and wants to sow strife and discord.

Yeah; we've seen enough of that!

Somewhere along the way; after Rome decided that it WAS ok to call some men father; it also decided to try to pull the tares from the fields of worship.


I just don't understand WHY Rome cannot obey the words that it collected together and gave the word...

792 posted on 07/31/2019 5:18:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: grey_whiskers
Talk about doctrines of men! Who told you the Saints in heaven cannot hear us? Jesus Himself said in the parable that Abraham was in heaven; and was able to converse with others, like Lazarus' brother who was in a place of torment.

But he wasn't able to converse with people on earth.

Recall the context of the passage.

25“But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26‘And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27“And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29“But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30“But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’

31“But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16:25-31

Notice:

the request was denied to send Lazarus to the rich man's house to warn his brothers

there was never any conversation between those who've departed and those still on earth

the man's brothers were not listening to Moses and the Prophets....they weren't reading Scripture

as they weren't doing this they wouldn't believe anyone who rose from the dead...that is Christ.

Bible study 101

793 posted on 07/31/2019 5:21:01 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: grey_whiskers
Going to bed now.

I'll pray to dead people.

794 posted on 07/31/2019 5:21:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: grey_whiskers
And, being Saints, their will is more attuned to the will of God.

And yet; they all claimed to be unworthy!

Go figger!

795 posted on 07/31/2019 5:23:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin

Quit being upset by yet another toad calling you ugly.

It’s a refreshing way to live!

Ribbet!


796 posted on 07/31/2019 5:25:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin

“No thanks; but I don’t want any soup.”

(That’s a gentle word turning away broth.)


797 posted on 07/31/2019 5:26:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: papertyger

That’s a REAL good direction change!


798 posted on 07/31/2019 5:29:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: papertyger
Can you disprove the promise?

Give me a little while; as I know my textbook from Proving a Negative 101 is around here someplace.

Please be patient with me.

799 posted on 07/31/2019 5:31:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: papertyger
Can you disprove the promise?

Can you prove it's true?

800 posted on 07/31/2019 5:32:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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