Why Does The Shroud of Turin Still Exist?

Townhall.com ^ | July 28, 2019 | Myrah Kahn Adams

[Elsie]

“And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.” Matt 18:17.

Why do you Catholics ALWAYS seem to fail to post the CONTEXT of this verse?

Afraid it won't support the thing you want it to??

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Matthew 18:15-22 ESV

If Your Brother Sins Against You

15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

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Sure nothing in it that even VAGUELY refers to THEOLOGY!

[MHGinTN]

Amen, see you in the clouds, Sister ... sooner than later.

[Elsie]

You cut my reply in half to present me (falsely) as unacquainted with Scripture.

Well!

WE sure can't have THAT; can we!!

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Call no man father.

[grey_whiskers]

I'll see you and raise you a "if she will not be covered, then let her be shorn." 😛

[Elsie]

I was merely hoping to inspire some thought as to how exactly we got the Bible in its current form, as that is how most people these days know of Christ's existence.

HMMMmmm…

Does this mean that we should be able to check the Bible to see how 'Mary' got to be so important in the Roman Catholic Church?

[Elsie]

Therefore, the Shroud is not an idol, but an aid to devotion.

You mean that somehow before 1458 AD the folks were LACKING in 'devotion' in some way?

[Elsie]

I do not deny those past papal teachings.

That's what I said: I've seen NO Catholics on FR denying them.

[Elsie]

The moment that sect promulgated Vatican II and its various heresies, it lost any right to call itself the Catholic Church.

And yet you hope and pray that some miracle will happen and the Ship of State will correct itself.

We'll be here when you are ready.

[Elsie]

The Scriptures in question were the Jewish Old Testament...

Which are sufficient for SALVATION.

Golly; it looks like Rome's extra stuff is just that: Extra Stuff.

[ealgeone]

I’ll ask again....you do know when the Reformation was...right?

[ealgeone]

Let’s see...they need another piece of cloth to “aid in their ‘devotion’”????

[Elsie]

Hold on please, I’ll try to give a good faith non snarky reply tonight, after work.

So; you are stealing from your employer by typing this on COMPANY time?

[grey_whiskers]

No, I don’t formally clock in.
Ask me again when I’m working past midnight sometime.

[ealgeone]

For context....something sorely missing in Roman Catholicism.

25A woman who had had a hemorrhage for twelve years, 26and had endured much at the hands of many physicians, and had spent all that she had and was not helped at all, but rather had grown worse—

27after hearing about Jesus, she came up in the crowd behind Him and touched His cloak.

28For she thought, “If I just touch His garments, I will get well.” 29Immediately the flow of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of her affliction.

30Immediately Jesus, perceiving in Himself that the power proceeding from Him had gone forth, turned around in the crowd and said, “Who touched My garments?”

31And His disciples said to Him, “You see the crowd pressing in on You, and You say, ‘Who touched Me?’”

32And He looked around to see the woman who had done this. 33But the woman fearing and trembling, aware of what had happened to her, came and fell down before Him and told Him the whole truth.

34And He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace and be healed of your affliction.”

Mark 5:25-34

[grey_whiskers]

I’ll answer you again, the attitudes causing the problems came about much later than the reformation.

[Elsie]

When you’re faced with some serious competition;
Don’t rely on yer words or renditions.
Use the Word as it’s written;
or yer fanny may get bitten;
by someone quoting a made up tradition.

[ealgeone]

To say that acknowledging Christ’s physical presence as a fact of history is somehow opposed to having faith in Christ, is a false dichotomy.

Has anyone denied Christ was a real person who walked among mankind?

[Elsie]

Thanks for posting what did NOT happen; as it is SO hard to proven otherwise.

Still; Rome ALLOWS it's members to BELIEVE something that has NOT been verified.

That is FACT!

[Mom MD]

when you are losing an argument set up a straw man....

[Ultra Sonic 007]

I refuse to join you and yours in schism.