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To: FourtySeven
So he’s implying, in as strong a way as he can, that he believes the House should start impeachment proceedings because they are the only ones, Constitutionally speaking, who *can* charge him with a “high crime or misdemeanor”.

I can't understand your explanation of Mueller's supposed logic. Despite how you believe Mueller is twisting this, eventually you, Mueller, Congress or anyone else, must, at some point, land on a positive statement - "Trump did XYZ action"

If you have read the Mueller report, please tell me what that is.

57 posted on 05/29/2019 12:10:04 PM PDT by PGR88
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PGR88 asked, “If you have read the Mueller report, please tell me what that (impeachable offense or offenses) is.”

Mind you *I’m* not the one saying the following are examples of “obstruction of justice”, it’s the Dems in Congress (and elsewhere) and Müller himself when he says (paraphrased and implied), “we cant clear the president of obstruction but also can’t arrest or charge him because that’s beyond our scope. So you should run with this Democrats in the House”

From the Muller report, in the section about the meeting with Comey, the Dems say that he (Trump) was asking Comey to drop his investigation of Flynn, so that amounts to Trump obstructing justice.

Vol 2, page 44:

“a. Obstructive act. According to Comey’s account of his February 14, 2017 meeting in the Oval Office, the President told him, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.... I hope you can let this go.” In analyzing whether these statements constitute an obstructive act, a threshold question is whether Comey’s account of the interaction is accurate, and, if so, whether the President’s statements had the tendency to impede the administration of justice by shutting down an inquiry that could result in a grand jury investigation and a criminal charge....”

The report basically goes on from that point to answer its own questions in the affirmative, using primarily Comey’s now infamous self made memo as evidence that Comey’s account of the meeting was accurate, and in their (the special council’s opinion), the key phrase “I hope you can let this go” by Trump could “reasonably” be taken as an order from Trump to Comey to drop the investigation of Flynn. Ergo “obstruction”.

Another example (again the Dems say) is Trump’s firing of Comey. They say he did so to end the investigation of Russian interference, and thus is “obstruction” (again, according to them, the Dems and even Müller). From the report,

Vol 2, page 74, “a. Obstructive act. The act of firing Comey removed the individual overseeing the FBI’s Russia investigation. The President knew that Comey was personally involved in the investigation based on Comey’s briefing of the Gang of Eight, Comey’s March 20, 2017 public testimony about the investigation, and the President’s one-on-one conversations with Comey....”

...

Vol 2 Pages 75-76, “...the President’s final termination letter included a sentence, at the President’s insistence and against McGahn’s advice, stating that Comey had told the President on three separate occasions that he was not under investigation.

The President’s other stated rationales for why he fired Comey are not similarly supported by the evidence. The termination letter the President and Stephen Miller prepared in Bedminster cited Comey’s handling of the Clinton email investigation, and the President told McCabe he fired Comey for that reason. But the facts surrounding Comey’s handling of the Clinton email investigation were well known to the President at the time he assumed office, and the President had made it clear to both Comey and the President’s senior staff in early 2017 that he wanted Comey to stay on as director....”

...

Vol 2 Page 76, “In addition, the President had a motive to put the FBI’s Russia investigation behind him. The evidence does not establish that the termination of Comey was designed to cover up a conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and Russia: As described in Volume I, the evidence uncovered in the investigation did not establish that the President or those close to him were involved in the charged Russian computer-hacking or active-measure conspiracies, or that the President otherwise had an unlawful relationship with any Russian official. But the evidence does indicate that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or that would give rise to personal and political concerns.”

So there are two examples of, again, *they* say are “obstruction”, (don’t think for a second that *I* say they are), that’s what they are saying these and others from the report. It’s helpful to not just listen to one “side” all the time and listen to the other. Leftists may be deranged, amoral beasts at times but they aren’t completely stupid.

Just putting this out there so you and everyone can be prepared for these and other “evidences” of “obstruction”, because this is what is being claimed. Don’t shoot the messenger.


100 posted on 05/30/2019 10:40:55 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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